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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
Subject RE: Codes
Date Sat, 22 Jun 2013 17:34:13 GMT
How do you convince Corel that there is a sufficient business opportunity?  

WordPerfect for Macintosh was discontinued in 2004.  There are other avenues however: 
<http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/mac-intel.html>.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ernie Kurtz [mailto:kurtzern@umich.edu] 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 09:27 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Codes

What might it take to persuade the WordPerfect people to offer a Mac version?

On Jun 22, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Eric Fenster wrote:

> Whoopee! The absence of reveal codes is up for discussion again, and we continue to have
defenders of the absence of this great WP tool.
> 
> It allows SEEING where things happen and CHANGING them by deleting the codes.
> 
> It is an ADDITIONAL convenience, not a requirement. Nobody is forced to display the reveal
codes window.
> 
> --- On Fri, 6/21/13, Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Codes
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Date: Friday, June 21, 2013, 2:24 PM
>> There *is* a "reveal styles." It's in
>> the Formatting Toolbar, where the style for the paragraph
>> containing the cursor is clearly displayed. Press F11 and
>> you'll get a list of all the available paragraph styles.
>> Right click on any one of them, click "Modify" and you can
>> see all of the formatting characteristics applying to that
>> style. Make any formatting changes you want and they will
>> apply to any paragraph having that particular style.
>> 
>> As for other formatting parameters, you don't need a code to
>> tell you that a word is in Boldface as it will appear in
>> Boldface on the screen. Blue text will appear blue, and you
>> won't need a code to tell that. Now, you may not know *why*
>> the text is blue, but if you simply right click on the
>> applied paragraph style in the style list, you can then
>> change the character formatting to any color you want (the
>> same as you would with direct formatting, just within the
>> style itself). Once changed, all paragraphs having that
>> paragraph style will automatically change to the new color.
>> With WordPerfect, you'd have to go into each and every
>> paragraph or column frame and manually change each one to
>> the color you want. And, if you made a mistake in one of
>> them, you'd end up with inconsistent formatting. Of course
>> you could track it down with your reveal codes, but with
>> styles, you wouldn't have to.
>> 
>> It's not rocket science, but I'll agree that it is not
>> intuitive to the typewriter model followed by WordPerfect.
>> 
>> Let me give an example of the benefit of styles. Several
>> years ago, my 14 year old son challenged himself to type a
>> 50,000 word novel in November, which is National Novel
>> Writers Month. He met his goal, and quickly dropped the
>> project.
>> 
>> As a proud papa, I wanted to put his document to paper. He
>> wrote the original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting
>> mess, with stray tabs, carriage returns, and inconsistent
>> formatting across chapter and section headings. Using WP's
>> beloved reveal codes, I began the task of reformatting his
>> 127 page novel. It didn't take long for me to realize it
>> would take days and days to wade through all of the
>> formatting codes inserted by WP.
>> 
>> Instead, I saved the document as a plain text file,
>> stripping all formatting. I then loaded it into LyX, which
>> is a GUI LaTeX editor. LaTeX is the ultimate in styles-based
>> document processing as there is no other way to do things. I
>> applied the Part and Chapter styles, (called "environments"
>> in LaTeX speak) to the part and chapter titles, and then
>> inserted a fully formatted, numbered, and typed table of
>> contents with a couple mouse clicks. I set NO page
>> formatting parameters such as page margins, page numbering,
>> etc., as those were handled entirely by the Book template
>> (called "document class"). I then compiled the book and had
>> a fully formatted novel, complete with Title page, Table of
>> Contents, properly formatted right and left hand pages with
>> fully formatted headers with page numbers, etc. The entire
>> process took about a half hour. I surprised even myself.
>> 
>> I could have done the same thing with OpenOffice's styles,
>> but they're not quite as fully automatic as LyX/LaTeX, so it
>> would have taken a bit longer, but not much.
>> 
>> Yes, styles can be difficult to learn, much the same as
>> learning a new cable TV remote control. But once learned,
>> you'll appreciate all you can do with them, and you won't go
>> back to the typewriter (or it's only begotten son,
>> WordPerfect), just like I won't go back to rabbit ears for
>> my TV.
>> 
>> Virgil
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Tamblyne
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 5:29 PM
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Codes
>> 
>> Hi, Patricia --
>> 
>> Of course, you're going to be told -- and I can see that you
>> already
>> have -- that "you're not doing it right."  Use
>> styles.  Styles will,
>> apparently, take care everything, including promote world
>> peace, as well
>> as fix all that's wrong with your document.
>> 
>> Perhaps if we asked for "reveal styles" instead of "reveal
>> codes," we
>> could get some progress on this issue.  The View >
>> Non-printing
>> characters doesn't help much unless what you're looking for
>> is carriage
>> returns/line-feeds, as far as I can tell.  It certainly
>> doesn't tell me
>> what styles are being applied to any given portion of the
>> document.  And
>> it doesn't show formatting codes, either.
>> 
>> As an "old" WP user (and aren't we all, at this point?), I
>> argued
>> passionately for this "enhancement" long ago.  The fact
>> that we were
>> blown off then, and still are, is the reason I don't
>> volunteer my time
>> to this project anymore.
>> 
>> The response to "use styles" doesn't solve the problem --
>> that being
>> that you can't tell where an applied style begins or ends
>> when you have
>> a problem.  Wait until you get a horizontal line under
>> all of your
>> paragraphs that you can't get rid of.  That's even more
>> fun!  :-D  You
>> can spend time playing Document Detective -- or just CTRL-Z
>> out of it
>> and come up with some other way to format your document the
>> way YOU want
>> to.
>> 
>> As to your particular issue, this blue text is often
>> automatically
>> applied to email addresses and hyperlinks, and you can
>> change that under
>> "character styles."
>> 
>> As for reveal codes -- don't hold your breath.  :-)
>> 
>> Tam
>> 
>> On 6/20/2013 6:54 PM, Patricia Hickin wrote:
>>> Is there any way to reveal codes in OO (the way you can
>> in WordPerfect)?
>>> 
>>> I am having a problem with the following:
>>> 
>>> I am preparing a list of books as follows:
>>> 
>>> In a table of two columns, I insert an image of the
>> book cover in the first
>>> (a narrow) column.  In the 2nd column I put info
>> about the book: title,
>>> author, publisher & date.
>>> 
>>> I have obtained the info from www.worldcat.org,
>> compiled a list of the
>>> books, copied the list into Notepad to strip it of
>> formatting.  Next I
>>> copied the list into an OO text document and formatted
>> it as follows:
>>> 
>>> font Calibri  color black
>>> title: 18 point bold italic
>>> author & publishing info (two separate
>> lines):  15 point regular.
>>> 
>>> For some reason, OO is changing the color of the
>> publishing info to blue.
>>>    I change it to black. but when I save
>> it the color switches to blue!!
>>> 
>>> It is driving me crazy!!!
>>> 
>>> Any ideas??  Thanks!!
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>> 
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