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From NoOp <gl...@sbcglobal.net>
Subject Re: [OT - headers] Re: questi­on
Date Thu, 01 Nov 2012 00:16:07 GMT
On 10/30/2012 06:04 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> On 10/30/2012 3:55 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>> johnny smith wrote:
>>>> Andrea, I see that you are using Thunderbird. What filters are you
>>>> using to sort out non-subcribers/moderated?
>>> non-subscribers/moderated have the string "Delivered-To: moderator
>>> for ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" among headers
> 
> For some other tips on setting up Thunderbird filtering, please see:
> 
>    http://markmail.org/message/katmtejfsx5xomvo
> 
>> Exactly. Unfortunately it seems that Thunderbird filters often ignore it
>> because they get confused by another "Delivered-To" header, so good
>> sense (you can often guess that someone is new), CTRL-U (to check the
>> source for this header) and "Reply All" (in doubt, just do it) help too.
> 
> Hagar Delest pointed out this unfortunate Thunderbird bug that still 
> seems to be open, which means multiple header types might not be 
> filtered correctly:
> 
>    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678322

Yes. Been there done that (see my comments on that bug and also on 16913).

The _nonstandard_ 'Delivered-To' is used for loop-detection:
<http://people.dsv.su.se/~jpalme/ietf/mail-headers/mail-headers.html>
<http://www.ninebynine.org/IETF/Messaging/HdrRegistry/draft-klyne-hdrreg-prov-mail-00.html#hdr.Delivered-To>
and is not defined by any RFC. As such, 'Delivered-To', shouldn't be
used twice to begin with. Does the Apache listserv _really_ need two
'Delivered-To' headers for loop detection?

The easiest & best solution IMO would be to add it as an X header
(example: X-Delivered-To: moderator). That way it is a distinct header
that any mail or nntp client that is capable of filtering on headers can
use.

Certainly with all of the experience Apache has with mail lists, it
shouldn't be too difficult to make the modification... right?
...



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