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From Natasha Selvey <nysel...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Date Fri, 19 Jul 2013 16:36:19 GMT
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>wrote:

> 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <nyselvey@gmail.com>
>
> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <nyselvey@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Here is my second round of proposed changes.
> > > >
> > > > I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames,
> Sections
> > > and
> > > > Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
> > > > "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on
> to
> > > > these topics.
> > > >
> > > > Tables and Images would get their own pages.
> > > >
> > > > Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
> > > >
> > > > Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
> > > >
> > > > Current outline:
> > > >
> > > >    1. Getting to know Writer
> > > >       1. Writer's User Interface
> > > >       2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > >       3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
> > > >       4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
> > > >       information)
> > > >       5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > >       6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > >       7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
> > > >    2. Working with Text
> > > >       1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > >
> > > > Proposed outline:
> > > >
> > > >    1. Getting to know Writer
> > > >       1. Writer's User Interface
> > > >       2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > >    2. Working with Text
> > > >       1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > >       2. Autotext
> > > >    3. Formatting Pages
> > > >       1. Frames
> > > >       2. Sections
> > > >    4. Tables
> > > >    5. Images and OLE Objects
> > > >
> > > > Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
> > >
> > > Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about formatting
> > > pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content"
> that
> > > are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
> > > document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
> > > styles and page breaks.
> > >
> > > I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not
> sure
> > > which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not
> > really
> > > appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit
> > that
> > > it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this
> line?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks for the input. I think I understand what you are saying. Perhaps
> > frames and sections are not about "formatting pages" but creating a
> layout?
> > Would it make more sense to group frames and sections as "Creating page
> > layout"? Or is this just another way of saying "formatting"?
> >
>
> As I see it, layout is related with formatting. The main point is that
> both, sections and frames can be "pushed" to different pages so they do not
> belong to any page. In a sense, sections and frames set "boundaries" for
> blocks of content, but those blocks can be moved, so what about
>
> "Bounding" Content: Frames and Sections
>
> or
>
> "Enclosing" Content: Frames and Sections
>
> I think this (or something similar, my English is limited) gives the idea
> of how both elements work: they enclose arbitrary content on definite
> limits. One (sections) with the possibility to expand on top of several
> pages, the other (frames) living only on one page.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> > Natasha Selvey
> >
>

That sounds good to me. I may have to think about a topic page title a
little more, I want it to be clear to the reader. Something like
"Containing content with frames and sections" or simply "Working with
frames and sections".

-Natasha

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