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Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:33:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [status] Static webside migration To: dev@openoffice.apache.org References: <0b2abbf8-879d-2c9a-4709-fcb5b49502c8@Apache.org> <82e09e09-ecc4-ee60-fb57-828a7c57a5e4@gmail.com> <25A84D5F-A27E-4C73-AAF9-771346EFD6B9@apache.org> <71a48380-d7bc-33ae-bce8-8b6c6d01a2f0@Apache.org> <67561B47-F7DF-4169-A501-0C7A8D1E2C3A@comcast.net> <30e81c10-cc8e-63af-9f28-7857e7e2defc@wtnet.de> <117e5c5e-8074-ef92-8126-6eb5fb603bd3@Apache.org> <52D4D91D-3AAC-4C3B-BF66-C0FEA62F87C7@apache.org> From: Peter Kovacs Autocrypt: addr=Petko@Apache.org; keydata= mQINBFvFewABEACxV3YfvvZMuRosR7Eign5594onr+nytnvHY63D1oYKpPjli3czJs4iIY4w FAiPb1bJtdqkqf6OUNEqNc2jwDqvrgowlVqdikCZjlCTFSxxLKnKdo3qpYSCaYy8ONeM5rCh 1PwNRU3CHGW1kpM9fPPOXsDZLwURGGgBFBcw0xnSeojyUdQr99h8r0TpfNU0a0eqebn6Uh2w iipGcKam8e5FzEzcMVbS+FU60pPaAf8voSucHWiLH9Yfoegneb5lCeb4vY7KAP9Fl5qbHfqS 14pOyj9Rxj6GQ+cfKmxXfNLf8f9604T584CcKQQgMet70PtsYbVIUVBIkIs4szpI/PC/AI9h Scz0PYmND/O28rJawLnTFdlGfXa2t2uvIOZSu6OCoc/bERnqBDjqUBlpmXXfoN8AETlv8SIP wMoXScNcVype83wRR8mkbnAbUyU9VL44h6pGJsragTnYkc++V5RYcQO6RxWIvAf6E+HA+sB3 c3aMbEJS+57tkjlpLnOI6mLsevdiLBV2/9cI8boPAqEujwRie8H1UcBdKXCaQaT0rv6xZqRn 7OK/9n3N7NtPUMs899JQfbteNFblDrCnTJ8kb9GuN8F4Im5AV56EXhHur4mu3/uKX/cEGWgg ijdjNsdLTKXTYkKQrE4BdtrbcNRIW2Lg8qKIYgfikSdWIpN9PQARAQABtB9QZXRlciBLb3Zh Y3MgPFBldGtvQEFwYWNoZS5vcmc+iQJUBBMBCAA+FiEE14b+tqrVo3WEpeTGgSqx727c+NUF AlvFewACGyMFCQHhM4AFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQgSqx727c+NVNwg/6 A2Zt1jXwPnW/9zMFzbg5y9svXspaEeJAZBp+JfwGiraEepEM8cOquZ6kjmTN1rhfY3+UFNy2 tLSrCAmbdkfubwsaBH3cqEmBl7Jc3l9GDpyALrEGz/0+su3cW0f/aQEnUuS+JZz8dKBg8wjt urrfzNDTX7oYqKA4MUmqTQ2Y1WYMbjikJUxXS1yhITou4LcDOaNNJKF7YQfs0PFaqlGykvPO Guci41A4iS6wzoCWxT5ojfvt68Y1nqQL4m7qfi9T1DefLD10f8+pnxEr9Xn3ZOR/pJkgGbE8 yKNc5gRkzC/hsuHyz0ajMCUFjowx0wkEWFE22o/F8keZgxHVzYzLrUZX+sGgTRQPT4BeZW1z uY7a+dul+fyhNZIwROLr/TL15oMgtCRRZ76NhBZ9Xk+C0Uw+Hkur5mGomRu1/RIL4vVAgs0s //v9ck2dZzRNipD4UVRZvsZrHrhj9b661RaPt8nR2+Rw+mdXv0/K239ceywg0um94y7wWlvl Dm4kviEHEzOtrKfXwuSKJkM5UoqHVE7Ty3yUF5Ab7YCtDcZtcMfo55UNrGw65GcFvP5xB3fC yOmjfV8DfAcrfQyi9ZG2d7spE+psWwBo+QkEc9KDEeNPQC/a+VFqi1EOr2WZpoKDhHMDRZnP 0FVq8ub2dBZakEFHoIV502Cq6yXs0EVE9H+5Ag0EW8V7AAEQANr4sJ4Ndb7zwgg9aNHp5bLf VO+kmmPyh87VHEJvRUjmo7yO9nPJXydLpbhUYVeDgVuOUqh7/5rSkdcVE7ACYwMxlblYniBL vv8/eSgkj4Ga0DMT97PkDK4RaEbDudMh+oW1SXl1SY+l70Wr8cftbbvM2+HI/Ve5Y9xxiC14 frc86gg8PMNsxUHuswmECPq0DzZ3++OiNpx1V4CFpR9RKWD4B8zICODwDmltMIyZhe1sm+gc NpwUk4atmDD/l69tZ9DqVk2f3OAAjOe8wcydzi4pQZfLw/f0facvoH2GBaWkrhVDcmfTt0w3 6qNKaRn/XZg7uRFd2GGSYl4VrufilU1xGcekXQsEAVZI3s89Ky1WSWRitNbRdfgeuLBcVLwe NMLv0UCOgsW1wBjtz2KtVh1b3/mrPGarvxBcRp+xaU3mNYogPXfJiU58HlfpbZA/8wyDZXCu Cb8mh6RczqF+7FGyTrM9Od0DBnQaZuArMWQ41kes7mhEZp89jnTJvRoZetzThom4/9F8z0OF +yraCMzM9mF8YBH18h6/yo25Po/Vp2BDdf56i/J+1Y8SVlSuS1rk7hXxp3fbKIwNKR5FOvhm vskf077IU/6orivIuztGwrBZHD+2bN9vo+msPPRwdDyDc0BurOT73Iu4dSD70C51+SRAnymV /GVYEvxhSA2DABEBAAGJAjwEGAEIACYWIQTXhv62qtWjdYSl5MaBKrHvbtz41QUCW8V7AAIb DAUJAeEzgAAKCRCBKrHvbtz41SfzD/9X0J8r2Wb7IVo1tGA/jrttMT84CfM6Y1e+W0vKZJyW o2oPML92GUkBXrgxQPV5u6ZZT3KegxTnGyHXj5yhFt34EQ79UzjGDuJwe99T+/sZyg7qQ8+U d1xIQmNMtHcpR5grziJ7aLgyOPv/mjN8/WW7Orv9Tm37vN9sUXFp9IDlu+BAqpJe0o03MhBs v+ucLnENes+SO/5R50t1SwiP6+dnZr7A7xa1o5D1U2/RcgzUqqr79buhvQSMcB9VqMftkhkT hVEuRdPDvBODdbwgZpbMqY5gKq/69RFIif85ta+z+BahjpZo8YgTMzJbkAfWOCt0pouXHYTx Dlf5Xf/uTB3h2znMEwybsViHyrCVuEXhxqO6QrgDSl0OaSKn7A2OxYGLqbv619pxm3UIgfnc mz4JG5aUCgaYK77nCFFiEUgH3UeFT4Avjz1XNgG/Al30HkLH7HOqKU0j2KhzBblZqCvDqLd3 ufsjak+xzLU1OU0H1W1MPIA/oIS/CViQTq2Qt/Rhnx/mIDEI+VLGBFtKC5Fq6YJXSf8Vbzdu LnbZvPMBKGhAuU8/C9zcUCWNSwZRqXS/NSABxU1fclB7dXWcAW1UjbNXkeflcfix1qFmXHOR q3OOJYRpmRirMQr2Jmwzf1ZX9/B6UkN/8O2boCGTp836EdNRaSy5kR1wqzJAhl3VLQ== Organization: Open Office Project Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:33:19 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <52D4D91D-3AAC-4C3B-BF66-C0FEA62F87C7@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US-large On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote: >> >> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote: >>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher: >>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration, >>>> >>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice. >>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration. >>> >>>>> I propose these: >>>>> >>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite >>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite >>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case: >>> >>> ooo-dev-site >>> ooo-org-site >>> >>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use. >> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten >> openoffice. >> >> How about: >> >> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is >> missing something for me. > openoffice-org is very descriptive yea agreed. +1 > >> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too) > openoffice-dev is descriptive Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for all contexts. I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I like more. > >> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable >> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we >> want to switch this off? > Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature. We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just asking. I like the feature it offers. > > Regards, > Dave > >>> Thanks >>> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >>> >>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first. >>>> >>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will >>>> have staging and production. >>>> >>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does >>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I >>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both. >>>> >>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used. >>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be >>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local >>>> build. >>>> >>>> This will take sometime. >>>> >>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals >>>> welcome. I may play with it myself... >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave >>>> >>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside >>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we >>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some >>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists? >>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules. >> cool. I like this. >>>>> Best Regards, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> All the Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Kay, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See inline. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new >>>>>>>> CMS >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to >>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to >>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some questions at this point -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find >>>>>>>> additional information? >>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few >>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the >>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the >>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with >>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content. >>>>>>> We’ll figure that out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in >>>>>>> parallel. >>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both >>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org? >>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking >>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss >>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning >>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is >>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the >>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn >>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives >>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes? >>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to >>>>>>> keep a local copy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the >>>>>>> results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, three parallel threads. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (1) Cleanup >>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed. >>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- MzK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or >>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would >>>>>>>>> love to >>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer >>>>>>>>> status in >>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on >>>>>>>>> our door.) >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org