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From imacat <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Date Wed, 07 Sep 2016 12:30:51 GMT
    I see.  Thanks, Jörg, Andrea.

    I'm working on two OpenOffice tools and may announce their beta
release in one or two weeks.  I was stunned by the news, but am happy to
see it is quite different from what the press said.

    As one of the team (although inactive for long), Please tell me what
I can do to make this release happen.  I shall help as much as possible.

Jörg Schmidt on 2016/09/07 04:25 said:
> The task of AOO is not the formulation of their own death message, but the further development
of the project, *even* in difficult times. 
> There was the proposal to publish a new release in November (during ApacheCon), that
is imho a right step.
> Jörg
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jan Høydahl [] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 10:00 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement 
>> Involve? (long)
>> A well written Press Release from the AOO PMC could be a 
>> timely move now?
>> It could be published on the Apache blog as well as sent to 
>> various editors.
>> The PR should be short, to the point and suitable for 
>> copy/paste into news articles.
>> It should paint the broader picture, the state of the 
>> project, the current push for
>> more developers etc. It could also explain ASF's focus on 
>> healthy communities,
>> as an explanation for the [DISCUSS] thread, and the fact that 
>> an Apache project 
>> not longer able to produce releases *may* end up being retired.
>> Could we get writing help from Apache public relations staff?
>> --
>> Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
>> Cominvent AS -
>>> 6. sep. 2016 kl. 20.13 skrev Jim Jagielski <>:
>>> Not sure how this will come across... I am certain I will not
>>> be fully understood about this, anyway, this question deserves an
>>> answer.
>>> What has been obvious, from following the numerous threads 
>> in various
>>> places, as well as contributing to the 2 main ones, is just how much
>>> "damage" Rob Weir has either done or has been attributed to 
>> have done.
>>> I guess the best way to state it is that he was a very "polarizing"
>>> person...
>>> Now a lot of the ill-will (and even worse, the hate) 
>> directed towards
>>> AOO is not due to anything we personally did, but is simply 
>> redirected
>>> venom, mostly due to how LO felt abused and used by Oracle and that
>>> somehow we were complicit in it (this fallacy, of course, 
>> was maintained
>>> by people who had a not-so-hidden-agenda to create and reinforce the
>>> division between AOO and LO). There was really very, very 
>> little rational
>>> cause for TDF/LO hating Apache and AOO so much... or, at 
>> least, developers
>>> on that side being so antagonist towards Apache (I am 
>> ignoring, for the
>>> present, those extreme copyleft proponents who have issue 
>> w/ permissive
>>> licensing for anything). What I'm basically saying is that we did
>>> nothing really to deserve the hate...
>>> ... except for maybe some of the "over zealous" statements by Rob.
>>> What is kinda clear is that there is still a lot of sting there.
>>> Now I did somewhat try to "explain" how such 
>> over-zealousness shouldn't
>>> be so surprising, considering what he was fighting against 
>> (this explanation
>>> was in the LWN thread), but rationalization isn't excuse.
>>> No, I am not saying we focus on the past... but while we are
>>> here for the present and future, we shouldn't "ignore" the past
>>> but rather acknowledge it, and then bury it.
>>> After all, aren't we asking TDF/LO to do the same??
>>>> On Sep 6, 2016, at 1:57 PM, Marcus <> wrote:
>>>> Am 09/06/2016 05:22 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>>>> +1
>>>>> I'm here for the present and the future, not the past.
>>>> I also don't know what a single person - which has left 
>> the project long ago - has to do with a "what-if-or-if-not" 
>> thinking game.
>>>> Marcus
>>>>> On 9/6/2016 8:15 AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>>>> On 2016-09-02 09:02 (-0400), Jorg Schmidt <>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> never we forget how members of OpenOffice (for example, 
>> Rob Weir)
>>>>>>> were insulted by TDF representatives.
>>>>>> It's important, in all of this conversation, to keep the 
>> interests of
>>>>>> the *users* first. This project is about producing 
>> software for the
>>>>>> public good, not about winning some contest, or nursing our hurt
>>>>>> feelings. We owe it to the users to forgive and forget actual and
>>>>>> perceived insults, and move on with our lives. 
>> Otherwise, what the
>>>>>> heck are we doing here?
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