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From Jim Jagielski <...@jaguNET.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)
Date Fri, 02 Sep 2016 13:53:49 GMT
This whole discussion is a chance to "prove me wrong" (as someone
"out of touch") as well as to prove to the entire OO community
what those "positive things" are.

I am glad that the status-quo of today != the status-quo as of
(today - 3weeksAgo).

I am reminded of this scene from Pulp Fiction (apologies for
the language: I didn't write this. Blame "edgy" QT):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NlrgjgOHrw


> On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galoppini@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sep 2, 2016 3:29 PM, "Jim Jagielski" <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I would assume that many existing people would leave.
>> 
>> But, as I mentioned, I would assume (hope) that many people
>> would join, and many of those would be from others in the
>> entire OO eco-system.
>> 
>> Your reply seems to suggest that with the current status of AOO,
>> maintaining an end-user focus is possible. Current evidence,
>> unfortunately, makes that somewhat questionable.
> 
> Jim if you're paying attention, and I say if just because I know you have
> been out of touch recently, you can't have missed that a number of positive
> things HAPPENED here. So if you see people having confidence maybe it would
> be good to think twice and wonder if we might have reasons to think
> otherwise.
> 
>> The current status-quo is untenable and unacceptable. Change
>> needs to happen. I suggested one route, nothing more, nothing
>> less.
> 
> We are on the same page here, and if security issues (real ones) would be
> left uncovered it would be fine if you and/or the board will step in.
> 
> In the meanwhile PLEASE let us work, and let's see if we can keep changing
> in the right direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Roberto
> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 8:52 AM, RA Stehmann <anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am 02.09.2016 um 14:14 schrieb Jim Jagielski:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> What is obvious is that the AOO project cannot support, at the present
>>>> time, being an end-user focused effort. I would suggest we focus on not
>>>> being one, but instead being a framework or library that can be
> consumed
>>>> by actual end-user implementations.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> If AOO is not an end-user focused project a lot of people will leave
>>> this community because they will be useless. People who are doing
>>> end-user support, who are doing end-user documentation and are doing
>>> what we call "marketing" etc.
>>> 
>>> Also people, who build binaries are obsolet. Only coders will be needed
>>> and I don't know, whether all remained will stay under that conditions.
>>> 
>>> I don't see a great difference between that way and a retirement.
>>> 
>>> The first way might be the "Apache way", but it is definitely not the
>>> way for and of the OpenOffice community.
>>> 
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 


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