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From "Keith N. McKenna" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS][POLICY?] Lost Features When Saving to ODF
Date Tue, 09 Feb 2016 00:56:47 GMT
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Patricia,
> I share your disdain for rubber-stamp feature-loss warnings.  It
> arouses FUD and does not help users, especially concerning their
> expectations for support of Microsoft formats.
Dennis; Let us remember that those warnings have been in OpenOffice
since at least the beta for version 2 that I am aware of, and most
likely before. Then all of the Microsoft formats were proprietary and
support of them was based on whatever specs Microsoft chose to release
and reverse engineering. Support of those older binary formats has
vastly improved over the years, but is still not perfect. Since AOO does
not yet write the newer Microsoft XML based formats the old binary ones
are all we have for collaboration with many Microsoft users.


> This is apparently a tit-for-tat activity between Microsoft Office
> and the family.
> The message that AOO uses is nearly a literal version of what the
> Microsoft Office software puts up when a non-native Save is requested
> [;<).  So we mirror their worst feature.
> It is interesting that when Microsoft Office documents have features
> that cannot be preserved with full fidelity (i.e., uploading to
> OneDrive and accessing via Office Web or mobile application versions)
> by MSO variants, there are specific warnings in the case of such
> recognized feature-loss if the document is edited.
> - Dennis
> PS: One of my dreams about interoperable use among standard formats
> and known profiles of conformance would be to have a processor that
> actually identified the features that are not preservable and allowed
> user review of the consequences before doing anything irreversible.
> And also finding ways to make things not so irreversible.  I said
> dream. It is probably beyond my grasp and I doubt such a prospect
> could be grafted into AOO.  My thinking is that one would have to
> architect and design for that from the very beginning.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Shanahan
>> [] Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2016 15:00 To:
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS][POLICY?] Lost
>> Features When Saving to ODF
>> On 2/7/2016 11:51 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: ...
>>> 3. Note that on saving to .xls, the rubber-stamp warning about 
>>> possible loss of features occurs, but in this case the feature is
>>> not lost.  There is no such warning when the feature in its
>>> unsupported form is transformed and saved as an .ods file.
>> ...
>> As an OpenOffice user, I find the rubber-stamp warning useless to
>> the point of being annoying. I get it on the most vanilla text
>> documents that do not, in practice, lose any features.
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