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From Marcus <>
Subject Re: <DKIM> Re: Complaint Writer lost 36 pages of my document with no auto backup copy.
Date Fri, 01 Jan 2016 09:24:26 GMT
Am 12/31/2015 10:04 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
> On 12/31/2015 11:49 AM, Andreas S├Ąger wrote:
>> Am 31.12.2015 um 19:53 schrieb Patricia Shanahan:
>>> On 12/31/2015 10:30 AM, Max Merbald wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> let me say a few words on this too:
>>>> I have had the autosave option enabled for ages and I've never
>>>> experienced a problem I'd relate to this. In the contrary, it has
>>>> helped
>>>> me a few times to retrieve a document I've had a problem with (such as
>>>> losing it for some reason or other. I think users will benefit from the
>>>> autosave being enabled by default.
>>> I also have autosave enabled, and have not experienced any problems with
>>> it personally.
>> Both of you work with ODF and export to foreign formats when necessary.
>> Bill M wrote:
>>> The only change I made was to
>>> turn off the question about save in ODF format as I send it to other
>>> people
>>> in RTF or Microsoft DOC format.
>> Bill M uses OpenOffice as an editor for foreign file formats which is
>> the anti-feature that deserves to be disabled completely. All documents
>> should be edited in ODF. Always. When you save another version in
>> foreign file format, the current document should remain the ODF source.
>> Foreign files should be loaded read-only and saved as ODF before editing.
> As an AOO user, I would sadly miss the ability to directly edit foreign
> file formats - they are often effectively the interchange format for
> collaborations. I want to see ASAP if I am using some formatting that
> cannot be preserved in the file's primary format.
> I suspect I am not the only user who would go with LibreOffice if it
> allows me to edit MS-Word documents directly and OpenOffice does not.

to prevent any misunderstandings. It's not about to kick out any foreign 
formats. The point is the following:

- Write something in Writer
- Save it as ODT
- The editor stays with the text in ODT format
- Then save it as DOC
- The editor stays with the text in DOC format

--> And this is the point to change. The editor should stay with the 
original ODT format and not with a foreign format.


>> Another misconception is that too many users believe that the "backup"
>> feature of their office suite ensures a reasonable level of data safety.
>> In fact they never run any backup utility at all.
>> The term "backup" should be avoided alltogether in favour of "crash
>> recovery". Can we really assure that our crash recovery tool works with
>> all supported file formats including the foreign ones?
> I strongly agree that the feature AOO should be providing is "crash
> recovery" not "backup".
> I would think some good general design principles, such as never
> deleting a file until after its replacement has been completely written,
> should make it possible to support all file formats. However, I have not
> yet studied the issue, and there may be barriers I am not aware of.
> Isn't a lot of this the sort of information that should be being
> collected in Bugzilla. I am about to start searching the mail archives
> to see what I can learn about the history, but a single Bugzilla number
> would be more convenient.

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