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From Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: AOO -> LO or MS O
Date Thu, 03 Sep 2015 19:24:35 GMT

> On 03 Sep 15, at 15:05, Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galoppini@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 2015-09-03 17:48 GMT+02:00 Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamilton@acm.org>:
> 
>> There are users who will find the political drama compelling.  There is
>> nothing to be done about that.  It does not make the product better and it
>> distracts those who want to find ways to serve the broad community no
>> matter what code base is being worked on.
>> 
>> The asymmetrical situation around licenses is a factor, although what
>> matters more to users is how that shows up in what they have in their hands
>> to use.
>> 
>> I found the greatest value in the linked article to be about the fairly
>> balanced view of the three productivity-suite options, assuming that the
>> reader is on a platform where all are available.
>> 
>> It seems to me that the greatest concern to this community is the
>> practical experience users are and will have and how this project can serve
>> those concerns, especially with regard to assured usability of present
>> documents and also the skills that have been developed in working with them.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> PS: On the interoperable-use challenge lurking in the article,
>> 
>> The historical business was too long and not so meaningful to user needs
>> compared to the -- important for us -- slow but steady divergence of the
>> two OpenOffice.org descendants not so much in features and release cadence
>> but core functions around format conversion/interchange.  That divergence
>> is eroding common support for the ODF format and OOXML interchange (i.e.,
>> functioning in a world where Microsoft Office documents cannot be
>> ignored).  Incompatibilities at that level impede interoperable
>> multi-product and cross-platform use where that is important.
>> 
> 
> I believe this is an issue that is underestimated at the moment. Few Public
> Administrations - or more likely smart sales people pointing them in that
> direction - are already taking advantage of that to justify their decisions
> to go back to MSFT.
> 
> The whole OOo ecosystem is at risk because of the present situation, and I
> believe we should make an effort to figure out if someone from our
> community could join the upcoming ODF Plugfest and talk to the people. If
> we can't fix the overall asymmetry of ODF-Support we are at big risk.
> 

Roberto, I tend to agree with you, though I’m a little less concerned about the significance
of ODF and more about the loss of a commitment to open formats capable of expressing current
and future needs. 

But to the point Are you volunteering to attend? And when is the plugest?

> Roberto
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> One of the greatest appeals of the OpenOffice.org family is the presence
>> of consistent cross-platform support not available anywhere else (yet) in
>> conjunction with the ODF format.  This appeals to civil authorities and
>> institutions not just for economy under actual user conditions (which may
>> or may not be achievable as promised in a particular situation).
>> 
>> The free ODF/OOXML-supporting products matter for durable preservation and
>> interchange of documents, especially those employed in public services,
>> without *requiring* use of commercial software as institutions move to
>> delivery of services and coordination with the public by digital means.
>> Substitutability has been promoted to those organizations as a safeguard
>> for adoption of these products.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbowen@rcbowen.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 06:54
>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: AOO -> LO or MS O
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/03/2015 08:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>> "After LibreOffice came out, Oracle released one version of Oracle Open
>>> Office before deciding that the project wasn’t worth the effort
>>> <
>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2011/04/oracle-gives-up-on-ooo-after-community-forks-the-project/
>>> .
>>> It laid off the programmers and gave the code and trademarks to the
>> Apache
>>> Software Foundation, under Apache’s liberal open source license."
>>> 
>>> That's one version of events. Another version of events is this.
>>> http://pages.citebite.com/e7v0f3m9sder
>>> 
>>> "Shuttleworth has a fairly serious disagreement with how the
>>> OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice split came about. He said that Sun made a $100
>>> million "gift" to the community when it opened up the OpenOffice code.
>> But
>>> a "radical faction" made the lives of the OpenOffice developers "hell" by
>>> refusing to contribute code under the Sun agreement. That eventually led
>> to
>>> the split, but furthermore led Oracle to finally decide to stop
>> OpenOffice
>>> development and lay off 100 employees."
>>> 
>>> That's different from "deciding it was not worth the effort".
>>> 
>>> Why the FUD on a dev list, anyway?
>> 
>> It's not FUD. It's a link to an article.
>> 
>> What would be awesome is if someone would write a counterpoint, which is
>> non-confrontational, non-rageful, non-hateful, and non-reactionary, but
>> just calmly presenting the reasons why someone might want to stay on
>> OpenOffice.
>> 
>> Refuting the article on this list, where we all already know the story,
>> is a good start, but if you could turn it into an article that's less
>> political, more practical (features, community, timelines, and so on),
>> that would actually help our cause. The person asking the original
>> question doesn't care about politics, hurt feelings, and "radical
>> factions", I guarantee. They want to know which product is better for
>> them, now, and in the long term.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>> 
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