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From Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <>
Subject Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
Date Sat, 25 Oct 2014 00:27:11 GMT

On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> <orcnote> below.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak []
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18
> To:
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
> On 10/24/2014 01:54 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>> But where is the problem? Either OOXML *is* ISO standard or is not
>> ISO-standard. If the problem is however that MS is 'meddling' in the
>> standard, then it is a political issue that requires policy responses
>> - not a question of software development.
> I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary
> complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary
> binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document.
> <orcnote>
>     This was and is a red herring. The ODF specification is just as
>     permissive in this regard.  For example, there is no specification
>     on the binary formats of images that are incorporated in ODF packages
>     by our favorite ODF-supporting software.  Also, the allowance of OLE
>     objects opens a very wide door in ODF that is exploited by the
>     prominent implementations.
>     What would be more interesting is to see what either specification
>     says about how such material is identified so implementations can
>     determine what is present.
>     It would also be interesting to know how well implementations identify
>     what cases of this that are supported, somewhere that the information
>     is readily available for the information of non-implementers.
> </orcnote>

More specifically, I was under the impression that you could include a 
binary blob of say a doc file.

Andrew Pitonyak
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