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From Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: 80 million downloads
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:15:49 GMT
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted
> package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to
> cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the
> user. Anyone is free to do with Ubuntu the same things as with any other
> distro, as with all distros, somethings are easier to implement for
> non-geeks than others. I should think Ubuntu scores pretty highly on that
> score as it probably has more non-geek users than any other.
>

Not that I recall...we have volunteers working on a Fedora effort.

Maybe we need an "Announcement" for this?

@Andrea re the porting info...this is not added to any of our normal
installation areas --- I'll add it it to some of the "normal" installation
areas.


>
> On 2 December 2013 03:20, Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Glenn,
> >
> > On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:45, Glenn Harvey Liwanag <
> > glennharveyliwanag@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with
> > > AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice?
> >
> > LibreOffice.
> > The issue here, and this is by no means within the proper scope of the
> > subject line (sigh), is that Ubuntu (or should I say, Canonical) makes it
> > hard for naive users (that is, those who are not inclined to use command
> > line interfaces) to replace the LibreOffice default offering with Apache
> > OpenOffice.
> >
> > It is by no means impossible and we've replied on several occasions with
> > instructions how to do this, but these, afaik, are not posted to the
> > download page, nor is the information about what is delivered with Ubuntu
> > there.
> >
> > I have no real—well, okay, I do, a little—problem with LibreOffice being
> > the default. I have a problem with any OS that so truncates the freedom
> of
> > the user as Ubuntu does, and yet claims to work with and for a community
> > that supposedly contributes to instituting freedom, not something more
> > ironic.
> >
> > louis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ian Lynch <ianrlynch@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with
> > it -
> > >> well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I
> > suggest
> > >> if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its
> really
> > up
> > >> to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that
> > >> assumes that the project isn't just giving up on Ubuntu and leaving it
> > to
> > >> LO. I have to say AOO is one of the most difficult to install
> > applications
> > >> on Ubuntu. We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it. Depends
> on
> > >> whether the Ubuntu market is seen as important because companies like
> > ours
> > >> are not going to switch platforms just to run AOO.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 1 December 2013 23:25, Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user
> to
> > >>>> install  anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why
I
> > >>>> switched to Linux, I can assure you.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other
> > LInuxes,
> > >> I
> > >>> get joy. (I've not used all there are, I refer just to those I've
> used;
> > >> and
> > >>> at that, via my virtualized environment. Ubuntu pretends to the ease
> of
> > >> OS
> > >>> X but is actually more—!!—tight with proprietary constraints, if
you
> > can
> > >>> imagine that: if it don't come from Canonical, it ain't canonical.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of
OSs,
> for
> > a
> > >>> lot
> > >>>>> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then
toward
> > >>>>> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.*
> > Tell
> > >>> us
> > >>>>> about it :-).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use
> Ubuntu
> > >>> and
> > >>>> likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of
> > >>> restrictions
> > >>>> and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another.
> > >>>
> > >>> Quite. And I love Linux (and also, for that matter, OS X) because
> it's
> > >>> logical in its layout and thus easy to navigate, work with, use.
> > Whereas
> > >> I
> > >>> dislike MSFT's Windows because it is seemingly arbitrary in layout
> and
> > >>> operation; and though one can finally *get* that its logic is about
> > >>> property (MY MY MY things), still, one must then deal with mairzy
> doats
> > >> and
> > >>> dozy doats and liddle lazy divey and not mares and does and lambs
> > >> scarfing
> > >>> oats & ivy.)
> > >>>
> > >>> louis
> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Ian
> > >>
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>
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> Ian
>
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