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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Submission for consultants page
Date Tue, 29 Oct 2013 18:41:04 GMT
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:21 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joesch@j-m-schmidt.de>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hello *,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:kay.schenk@gmail.com]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > So...this thread does not meet "lazy consensus" but are we
ready to
>> >> >> > implement this addition, without further changes, anyway?
>> >> >> > I'll be happy to
>> >> >> > take care of this either later today or tomorrow if we are.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can you please summarize what the solution should look like?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The thread is long and I have somewhat lost track as "point # 4"
>> should
>> >> be
>> >> >> changed.
>> >> >> Should he ever be changed or what says:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > ... Can be eased a bit as it is clear enough did the
>> >> >> > Items are with and for our project, respectively. product.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In particular, it would be important for me to know whether I can
>> change
>> >> >> my website (http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html) or must.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Greetings,
>> >> >> Jörg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> > My take on this discussion so far  (and I am certainly NOT the
>> definitive
>> >> > judge on this):
>> >> >
>> >> > * there is the listing on the consultants page itself:
>> >> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I wrote that page, so it might not be too presumptuous if I say what I
>> >> meant when I wrote it ;-)
>> >>
>> >> The guideline is that the 3rd party pages must "respect ASF
>> >> Trademarks".  This is vague, but intentionally so.   I think we'll all
>> >> be more accurate judges of what is wrong when we see it than we are
>> >> predictors of all things that could possibly be wrong.  So the
>> >> discretion is given to the PMC to take this on a case-by-case basis.
>> >> We should be looking at each submission and their linked websites as a
>> >> whole.
>> >>
>> >> The kinds of abuses I had in mind were mainly pages that implied that
>> >> the services were endorsed or affiliated with the ASF.   This is much
>> >> more than technicalities of whether or not a (TM) symbol is used.  For
>> >> example, a page that calls itself "Apache OpenOffice (TM) Consulting
>> >> Group" would *not* be OK. We don't want our trademarks used as
>> >> adjectives, since that suggests an affiliation.
>> >>
>> >> I also had in mind that we might need to correct names where they are
>> >> misstated, e.g., "Apache Open Office", "Apache Openoffice",
>> >> "OpenOffice.org", etc.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> -Rob
>> >>
>> >
>> > OK -- I think we should go ahead with this. Unfortunately, testing with
>> my
>> > private web area on my box, my server is balking at the ".xsl" page that
>> > goes with this...so...
>> >
>>
>> The command line should look something like:
>>
>> xsltproc -o consultants.html --stringparam locale en to-html.xsl
>> consultants.xml
>>
>> You can switch locales by setting different values via stringparam
>> parameter.
>>
>> Other XSLT engines should work, but the command line would be different.
>>
>
> ok, that's not what I was using...this seems to work and not complain about
> the stylesheet being invalid.
>
>
>>
>> > Rob, since you have always taken care of this in the past, I would be
>> fine
>> > and dandy with you committing this change -- wearing your Apache hat
>> > instead of your IBM one of course. ;)
>> >
>>
>> Sure, I can do it next week when I am at my desk.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> Anyway, I was just about to do this when I see that there is no "contact"
> info -- e-mail, phone etc. -- supplied with this listing as with the
> others. I see there's a phone number supplied on the website, so maybe just
> include that?
>

If you include the phone number you would also want to include the
"priority code" that is on the webpage.   Or don't have a phone
number.

-Rob


>
>>
>> > So sorry about this -- I guess it's time for more of us to give this
>> area a
>> > bit more attention.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > concerning the actual content we are discussing. This does not have
a
>> >> (TM)
>> >> > after Apache OpenOffice. I thought this was the original cause of
>> >> objection.
>> >> >
>> >> > And, we can see from the listings on the consultants page that we did
>> not
>> >> > enforce a (TM) after Apache OpenOffice on the consultants page.
>> >> >
>> >> > * there are the actual websites of the consultants, like yours, and
>> this
>> >> > submitted one up for consideration.
>> >> >
>> >> > It seems there is  more concern to enforce a (TM) symbol after Apache
>> >> > OpenOffice for these third party websites.  However, this is not
>> >> something
>> >> > required by Apache.
>> >> >
>> >> > See:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#attribution
>> >> >
>> >> > The important factor is referencing OpenOffice as "Apache OpenOffice",
>> >> and
>> >> > not the use the of the (TM) after the name.
>> >> >
>> >> > The website, http://www.jm-schmidt.de/inhalt.html, seems to have all
>> >> bases
>> >> > covered near as I can tell -- correct naming and use of (TM).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > MzK
>> >> >
>> >> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
>> >> >  Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
>> >> >                           -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
>> >  Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
>> >                           -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
>>
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>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
>  Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
>                           -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax

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