openoffice-dev mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)
Date Tue, 20 Aug 2013 11:24:54 GMT
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013/8/19 J├╝rgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>
>
>> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> (top posting)
>> >>
>> >> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
>> > the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
>> > user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
>> > good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
>> > "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
>>
>> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
>> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
>>
>
>
> Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
> I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a
> difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
> there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining
> _small_).
>
> IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
> first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
> This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.
>
> The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
> logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
> header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.
>

I'd consider the header as a whole to be the topic of discussion.
This consists of a background color, graphical elements and text.  I'd
much prefer for the AOO logo to be used in the original form.  If left
aligned this gives a lot of space in the header to do other things.
For example, if we want that lifesaver graphic, maybe that could be
the three o's in Community Support Forum?  Or it could be a graphic
right aligned?

But I think we want to use the AOO logo prominently, to reenforce in
the mind of the user that they are on an official website.  As you
know there are so many potentially damaging websites out there
pretending to be OpenOffice websites.  We need to train our users to
understand when they are on an official website.  The branding is a
key part of this.

Regards,

-Rob


> User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):
>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view
>
> Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
> emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > -Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
>> tweak,
>> >> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
>> variant
>> >> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
>> >>
>> >> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Ricardo
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
>> >>
>> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado
<jza@oooes.org>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There is also other sites like extensions, www
and
>> >>>>>> openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>>>>> ,
>> >>>>>>>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means
the sites need
>> >>> to be
>> >>>>>>>>> updated.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo
days where there
>> >>> was a
>> >>>>>>>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites,
is clear there
>> >>> needs to
>> >>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this
mantainance.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> So the status is:
>> >>>>>>>>> blog, www, extensions and oo@apache.org have
the new logo
>> >>>>>>>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on
the old logo or
>> don't
>> >>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> previous logo at all.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo
to perform a
>> >>> similar
>> >>>>>> font
>> >>>>>>>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept
the 3 gulls
>> artwork.
>> >>>>>> Andrea
>> >>>>>>>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Why would you change the font? And what did you
change it too?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please
look at
>> the
>> >>>>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based
on the
>> >>>>> current AOO Logo.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said,
open
>> >>> sans
>> >>>> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source
sans
>> pro
>> >>>> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
>> >>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
>> >>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
>> >>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Rob
>> >>>
>> >>>> Regard
>> >>>> Ricardo
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998
with all the
>> >>>>> samples
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> sources.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest
<
>> >>>>>> hagar.delest@laposte.net
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The question was raised in another thread
but better have a
>> >>>>> dedicated
>> >>>>>>>> one.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What is the status with the headers exactly?
A user will
>> >>> certainly
>> >>>>>>>> visit 3
>> >>>>>>>>>> areas first: the main site, then the wiki
and the forum. Today
>> >>> they
>> >>>>>>>> have 3
>> >>>>>>>>>> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea,
we need a
>> consistent
>> >>>>>>>> branding
>> >>>>>>>>>> to give users a kind of security feeling.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum
showing the 3 current
>> >>>>> headers
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> a proposal I've made very quickly:
>> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
>> >>>>>>>>>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
>> >>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
>> >>>>>>>>>> No need to register to see it so have a
look.
>> >>>>>>>>>> The point is: we should have the same branding
(icon + text) at
>> >>>>> least
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>>>> every areas, at the same location.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hagar
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---------
>> >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org
>> <
>> >>>>>>>> dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>> >>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>> >>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> >>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>> >>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>> >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>> >
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>
>>

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org


Mime
View raw message