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From Roberto Galoppini <roberto.galopp...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Should download pages *require* Javascript?
Date Tue, 20 Aug 2013 18:59:55 GMT
2013/8/20 Marcus (OOo) <marcus.mail@wtnet.de>

> Am 08/20/2013 08:12 PM, schrieb Donald Whytock:
>
>  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:29 AM, sebb<sebbaz@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>  On 20 August 2013 01:20, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 08/19/2013 09:51 PM, schrieb sebb:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 19 August 2013 20:27, Rob Weir<robweir@apache.org>   wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pescetti@apache.org
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19/08/2013 sebb wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Note that the page http://www.openoffice.org/**
>>>>>>>>> download/other.htmlalso<http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.htmlalso>
>>>>>>>>> requires Javascript!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not so good. The noscript option should direct the
user to
>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-**closer.cgi/openoffice/<http://www.apache.org/dyn/aoo-closer.cgi/openoffice/>
>>>>>>>> (users who disable JavaScript are likely to be able to browse
the
>>>>>>>> FTP-like
>>>>>>>> structure they will see there).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Whatever method is chosen, I think it should be possible
to
>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>> AOO without the use of Javascript.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It should also be possible to download OpenOffice in the
cases where
>>>>>>>> JavaScript parsing breaks, i.e., we should have alternative
download
>>>>>>>> links
>>>>>>>> that are always visible (working JavaScript, broken Javascript,
no
>>>>>>>> JavaScript).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think this is the key insight.  There are actually three cases
to
>>>>>>> consider:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Java script disabled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Javascript is supported, but not working with our page
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Javascript working fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of the more recent reports are about #2.  These are older
>>>>>>> versions of Internet Explorer, e.g., I.E. 6.  A<noscript>
  block
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not help in this case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if it is possible to detect the broken Javascript without
>>>>>> crashing, then it would be possible to treat the browser as if it
did
>>>>>> not have Javascript.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, has anybody an idea how to detect such broken JS engines?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  From this test it looks like the main issue is Internet Explorer before
>>>>
>>> I.E. 8:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://browsershots.org/http:/**/www.openoffice.org/download/<http://browsershots.org/http://www.openoffice.org/download/>
>>>>
>>>> One approach is to see if you can code around that error and get it to
>>>> work correctly on older I.E. installs.
>>>>
>>>> Another approach is to use one of these techniques to detect older
>>>> I.E. and then fall back to a non-script page:
>>>>
>>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ms537509%28v=vs.85%**29.aspx<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537509%28v=vs.85%29.aspx>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It might also be possible to use the HTTP headers User-Agent and
>>> Accepts-Language as a backstop for when Javascript is not available.
>>> This might need some Infra config support.
>>>
>>>  -Rob
>>>>
>>>>  Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Just me-too-ing here...I can't get to the download list right now from my
>> office, with IE8, scripting disabled and a somewhat draconian firewall.  I
>> can get to SourceForge, though.
>>
>> Should there be an "If that doesn't work, click here" link, perhaps
>> pointing to...?
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
>> files/4.0.0/binaries/<http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/>
>>
>
> But then we run into the problem that Rainer has already reported:
> The file names in the visible area are all the same. You cannot
> differenciate between them - as long as you don't hover the mouse over each
> one until you have found your favorite.
>
> See here:
> http://sourceforge.net/**projects/openofficeorg.mirror/**
> files/4.0.0/binaries/en-US/<http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.0/binaries/en-US/>
>
> So, a fallback to the Apache mirror is currently the better option.
>
> @Roberto:
> I've lost a bit the latest update. Is it possible to change it in a way
> that the file names are completely shown?


Hi Marcus,

 I've just added a comment on bugzilla. I was wondering if it would work
for you since you're a project admin and by logging in you should be able
to see files full names.

Correct?

Roberto



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