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From Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.m...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Websites headers (forum, wiki, main site, ...)
Date Mon, 19 Aug 2013 20:56:31 GMT
2013/8/19 J├╝rgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>

> On 8/19/13 1:43 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> (top posting)
> >>
> >> User SLV-es from ES forums proposed a new logo
> >>
> >>
> http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3924&mode=view
> >>
> >
> > Why aren't we just using the proper AOO logo, the same one we use on
> > the website, the blog, the wiki, etc.?  If we can do that then the
> > user will understand that this is an official website.  Consistency is
> > good for this.  And then you can have a text title that says
> > "Community Support Forum" or something like that.
>
> exactly I do not understand either this discussion, why not using the
> new existing one. Maybe tweaked to fit in the forum header
>


Note that I'm not in favour of using a different logo on forums, but that
I'm not particularly in favour of using the same either. I think there is a
difference between "consistent branding" and "plain homogeneity" and that
there is room for small changes without loosing the "branding" (underlining
_small_).

IMO, the discussion about the forum logo have two background points. The
first one is historical: forums used a custom logo since the beginning.
This is not bad for itself... nor good: it's just a fact.

The second point is more "technical": with the blue background the official
logo will be lost. There are two ways of solving this, a change on forum
header background or a custom logo: the solution used up to now.

User SLV-es created a new proposal (uploaded on the issue):

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/download/file.php?id=3926&mode=view

Basically, it's the official logo with the addition of the lifesaver to
emphasise the idea of "help". I find the concept nice, but that's just me ;)

Regards
Ricardo




>
> Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >> On his own words, it needs some work but IMO it shows an interesting
> tweak,
> >> maintaining both, colours and fonts from original logo but with a
> variant
> >> that suggest "help" (the main forum purpose).
> >>
> >> I suggested the author to attach his proposal to the issue.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Ricardo
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/8/12 Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org>
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> 2013/8/11 Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jza@oooes.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There is also other sites like extensions, www and
> >>>>>> openoffice.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> ,
> >>>>>>>>> blog, templates. We have a new logo, which means
the sites need
> >>> to be
> >>>>>>>>> updated.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Since AOO hasn't really mature to the old OOo days
where there
> >>> was a
> >>>>>>>>> dedicated webdev project to handle all sites, is
clear there
> >>> needs to
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> some initiative from somewhere to perform this mantainance.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So the status is:
> >>>>>>>>> blog, www, extensions and oo@apache.org have the
new logo
> >>>>>>>>> templates, forum, wiki, forum index still on the
old logo or
> don't
> >>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> previous logo at all.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I develop an incremental adaptation of the logo
to perform a
> >>> similar
> >>>>>> font
> >>>>>>>>> to the new logo which uses Sans Pro. But kept the
3 gulls
> artwork.
> >>>>>> Andrea
> >>>>>>>>> recomended to replace the 3 gulls with the orb.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why would you change the font? And what did you change
it too?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=122998#c0
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The bugzilla does not answer my question.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You used two fonts what are they and what is the license?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IIRC open sans is Apache licensed. Why change?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think you missread, they were change into Sans Pro. Please look
at
> the
> >>>>> source SVG for 1 to 1 comparison from legacy to new one based on
the
> >>>>> current AOO Logo.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Adobe's Source Sans Pro font is OLF licensed while, as Dave said, open
> >>> sans
> >>>> is Apache Licensed. IMO, if you changed from open sans to source sans
> pro
> >>>> then Dave's question is perfectly valid.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So we're all on the same page:  the AOO 4.0 Logo uses Source Sans Pro.
> >>>  This must not be changed without discussion and PMC approval.  If the
> >>> idea is to update the old forum/wiki headers to use Source Sans Pro
> >>> and new logo elements, then this sounds like the right direction.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>> Regard
> >>>> Ricardo
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> An issue has been put in place on bugzilla #122998
with all the
> >>>>> samples
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> sources.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Hagar Delest <
> >>>>>> hagar.delest@laposte.net
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The question was raised in another thread but
better have a
> >>>>> dedicated
> >>>>>>>> one.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What is the status with the headers exactly?
A user will
> >>> certainly
> >>>>>>>> visit 3
> >>>>>>>>>> areas first: the main site, then the wiki and
the forum. Today
> >>> they
> >>>>>>>> have 3
> >>>>>>>>>> different headers. As pointed out by Andrea,
we need a
> consistent
> >>>>>>>> branding
> >>>>>>>>>> to give users a kind of security feeling.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've made a dedicated topic in the forum showing
the 3 current
> >>>>> headers
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> a proposal I've made very quickly:
> >>> http://forum.openoffice.org/**
> >>>>>>>>>> en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=**63523<
> >>>>>>>> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523>
> >>>>>>>>>> No need to register to see it so have a look.
> >>>>>>>>>> The point is: we should have the same branding
(icon + text) at
> >>>>> least
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>>> every areas, at the same location.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hagar
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >>>>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >>>>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Alexandro Colorado
> >>>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org
> >>>>>
> >>>
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