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From Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.m...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] New "other.html" for all possible download links
Date Mon, 29 Jul 2013 22:30:37 GMT
2013/7/30 Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>

> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:21 PM, janI <jani@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 30 July 2013 00:16, Marcus (OOo) <marcus.mail@wtnet.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Am 07/29/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb sebb:
> > >
> > >> On 29 July 2013 21:12, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Am 07/29/2013 09:45 PM, schrieb sebb:
> > >>>
> > >>>  On 29 July 2013 19:27, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.mail@wtnet.de>  
wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Am 07/26/2013 11:10 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Am 07/26/2013 10:44 PM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 25/07/2013 Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I've created a new webpage to offer all possible
download links
> > for
> > >>>>>>>> a
> > >>>>>>>> release version:
> > >>>>>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**
> > >>>>>>>> other_tables.html<
> > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_tables.html>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This is really nice, looking forward to seeing it online!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> see below
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  It's especially important to have a link to checksums
for those
> who
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>>>>> a "static" reference to it or want to verify a package
on a
> > different
> > >>>>>>> system than the one used for downloading.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> That was one intension, yes.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  - all possible downloads for a respective language and
OS in a
> > single
> > >>>>>>>> place
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I foresee another interesting way to use that page,
i.e., getting
> > >>>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>> localization volunteers. Let's get this version online
first, but
> > >>>>>>> maybe
> > >>>>>>> we could then add another table with something like
"The
> following
> > >>>>>>> languages are released only as source code:", and then
a list of
> > each
> > >>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> the 90+ remaining languages with the link to help us
release it
> (in
> > >>>>>>> most
> > >>>>>>> cases, it will be a link to http://openoffice.apache.org/**
> > >>>>>>> translate.html <http://openoffice.apache.org/translate.html>
> > >>>>>>> but in some cases it might be different).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Good idea. However, I think I've to add more additions
than one
> can
> > >>>>>> thought. But this is no obstacle.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>  @Andrea:
> > >>>>>>>> I've already considered your smaller font size
wish for the
> > checksum
> > >>>>>>>> links.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks, looks great.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thanks. :-)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Even when I've missed to state it from the beginning but
I expect
> to
> > >>>>>> use
> > >>>>>> lazy consensus here. If there are no objections I plan
to make it
> > Live
> > >>>>>> at ~Sunday evening Hamburg time.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> As I haven't seen any objections I'll create the new "other.html"
> in
> > a
> > >>>>> the
> > >>>>> next time.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sorry, but I find the page hard to use.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Most people will not need any language packs, so why clutter the
> table
> > >>>> with them?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Also if a user does want to add multiple language packs, it's hard
> > >>>> work finding them amongst all the full installations.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think it would be a lot clearer for the page to be laid out
> > >>>> something like the following:
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> This was the old system and the goal was to integrate all files that
> > >>> belong
> > >>> to a specific language and platform.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure that goal is particularly useful to the end-user.
> > >>
> > >>  If it's hard to read due to a small font size, this could be changed.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> It's not the font size.
> > >>
> > >>  Otherwise I don't thing that it's too confusing.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Well, you are a developer working on OOo.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Only for the website, not for the source code. But maybe this is no
> > longer
> > > relevant as I do this already for years.
> > >
> > >  I am trying to look at it as a non-developer who wants to download the
> > >> software.
> > >>
> > >>  ---------------- [ cut here ] ---------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ---------------- [ cut here ] ---------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If it is possible to provide a dynamic page, then it might be nice
> to
> > >>>> determine the platform first (user selected; perhaps with
> > >>>> auto-detected default), and then use the platform to display only
> the
> > >>>> installation sets and language packs for that platform.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> The dynamic thing is not to continue the data guessing from the main
> > >>> download webpage but to simplify the modification for new releases.
> > >>>
> > >>> The "other.html" is a kind of fallback when:
> > >>>
> > >>> a) the user is not able to use the green box on the previous main
> > >>> download
> > >>> webpage.
> > >>>
> > >>> b) or when he is searching for a build different from the browser's
> > >>> language
> > >>> / platform.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> AFAICT it's also used when the user wants to add a new language, in
> > >> which case they already have the base installation.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yes, and there are maybe some more possibilities.
> > >
> > >  As we don't know the reason(s) for a) there shouldn't be any
> limitations
> > >>> to
> > >>> give the user the full control to find what he needs.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Yes, but that's not relevant to the issue of the page design.
> > >>
> > >>  And if b) it will help him as well.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Which is where the page design is very important.
> > >>
> > >>  The difference of full installations and language packs is described
> > >>> directly above the table by your suggestion.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Yes, but I'm afraid I don't find it easy to read.
> > >> There's quite a lot of information there which is not particularly
> > >> relevant to the end user.
> > >>
> > >> Also the most common use case - downloading a single base installation
> > >> and no languag packs - is not actually described.
> > >>
> > >
> > > If you think that the text can be better, then please tell me. Based on
> > > Apache's famous slogan: Patches are welcome. :-)
> > >
> > >  That would avoid problems with people downloading the language pack
> > >>>> for the wrong platform.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sorry, but this can also happen in the current "other.html".
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Of course; I was just making a suggestion to improve the page further.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Yes, that's great. However, I'm missing arguments that the new layout
> is
> > > more confusing than the current one. Maybe you can help here to give us
> > > some use cases?
> > >
> > >  I think it would make for a better end-user experience.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I would say: Let the users decide. :-) If we get a reasonable amount
> of
> > >>> complains then we can go back to different tables.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > > Anything against this? We can change back to the old one at any time.
> > >
> > @marcus; I for one like the way its done, not need to change back. But I
> > assume the old version is kept in svn ?
> >
> > So lets see if there are compains (which you seem to solve quickly and
> > quietly something I really favour).
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >
> >
> I think we should just go live with these new changes. There is more to
> this one but I don't think it's more confusing.
>
> And...we can always go back.
>

Or forward! Just go live with the new page and let's see what happens.
Personally, I really like the changes.

Regards
Ricardo



>
> >
> > > Marcus
> > >
> > >
> > >
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