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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] a new web area for Apache OpenOffice third party products
Date Mon, 17 Jun 2013 00:40:45 GMT
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>>
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Levels in which we might do things:
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Level 1 -- Do nothing but watch for abuses.  If
someone wants to
>>> >>> sell
>>> >>> >>> > a CD, then they are free to do it, per the license.
 They can
>>> >>> >>> > advertise on eBay, their website, etc., but they
have no
>>> permission
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> >>> > use the trademarks.  Nothing special on our website.
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Level 2 -- We allow a listing on our website (or
wiki) of those
>>> who
>>> >>> >>> > offer CDs.  But we make no attempt to verify anything.
 It is
>>> all
>>> >>> >>> > "caveat emptor".  We put in disclaimers on the
page so users
>>> know
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> >>> > we have not vetted anything.
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Level 3 -- We review requests for listing and
approve them only
>>> if
>>> >>> >>> > they meet our qualifications, which might include
proper use of
>>> >>> >>> > trademarks, a link back to our website, etc. This
is similar to
>>> what
>>> >>> >>> > we did with consultants.
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Level 4 -- Like Level 3, but for those distributors
who meet our
>>> >>> >>> > qualifications we offer a special logo they can
use, something
>>> like
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> >>> > "Community Distributor".
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> > It seems there is at least some consensus of moving ahead with a CD
>>> vendor
>>> > page similar to  the consultants page:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html
>>> >
>>> > so, Rob, if you feel inclined to work on #1 and #2 from your suggestions
>>> > above, please feel free to draft up something for us to review. Then
>>> move
>>> > on to #3?
>>> >
>>>
>>> We might be able to jump directly to #3.  We don't need to do #1 or #2
>>> first.
>>>
>>> I've started to draft the "Distributor Best Practices" page here:
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/best-practices.html
>>>
>>
>> ok, this looks pretty good...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I think in the end we need three pages:
>>>
>>> 1) The main page, which is the listings page.
>>>
>>> 2) The Distributor Best Practices page
>>>
>>> 3) An instructions page for would-be distributors, of how to get
>>> listed.  It might grow over time to include links to ISO's, CD labels,
>>> etc., in the future.
>>>
>>> These pages would be cross-linked.
>>>
>>>
>>> > So, we don't have to  un-reroute what we've already done with the old
>>> > distribution area, I'm inclined to put this new CD page(s) in bizdev
>>> also.
>>> >
>>> > I'm hoping we can just implement this with xml and xslt. I'll do some
>>> > testing in a day or so.
>>> >
>>>
>>> That could be done now or later on.  It is OK to start with a static
>>> HTML page (not MDText) and prototype the design and even go live with
>>> it, and then add the XSLT automation to generate it later.  Depending
>>> on the number of listings automation might not be needed.
>>>
>>> Do you want to mock up a distributor listings page?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I can do this over the next day or so I think. I just do up a static
>> HTML as you suggest. Maybe like the old listing but without the region info
>> -- to start.
>>
>>
>> I started looking at some XML, and XSL just now, and well, not sure how
>> this could be  handled with the CMS vis a vis standard page headers etc.
>> We could probaly define a "new" page type.
>>
>> For now, static HTML it is.
>>
>
> OK, start here (revision of /distribution/index.html)
>
>  http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/index_new.html
>

This is a good start.

I wonder if the main page (index.html) should the end-user facing
page, e.g., the distributor listings?   And then have the FAQ be in
distributor-faqs.html or something like that?   Not a big deal, just
an idea.  Do we know what existing incoming links from 3rd party
websites point to?  (or even OO websites?)   Whatever URL was used for
the distributor list before should probably stay as the listing page.
That way the existing links will still be accurate.

http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/distributors.html

Instead of "Location" maybe "Countries Served" or something like that.
 Or, in the application process we have a "data dictionary" that
explains exactly what we want in each field.  (I'm assuming that it
would be common for someone in the US to be able to sent to Canada
easily, and someone within the EU can cover more than one country if
they want.

"Additional Information"?  I'd drop that unless we think it is really
necessary.  Otherwise it is easy for that to turn into an
advertisement.  Additional information can go on their website.

> Mockups needing MUCH discussion I'm sure.
>

It is a good start.  Maybe we iterate just a little bit more and then
do the Call for Comments on the blog, so we can get some distributor
and user views on this.

I'm also thinking that a CD label graphic from the project would be a
very good thing.  Almost every distributor would want one.  We can
avoid a lot of trademark use review requests if we have a label that
can be used by listed distributors.

-Rob

>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away from."
>>
>> -- Jodie Foster
>>
>>
>
>
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> MzK
>
> "Normal is not something to aspire to, it is something to get away from."
>
> -- Jodie Foster



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