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From Fred Ollinger <folli...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: questions about Base---do we need an embedded DB?
Date Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:29:14 GMT
Perhaps a survey question could be regarding this. How many people use
it? What features do they use? What features do they want. To MS
Access users, it could be, feature(s) would get you to switch to AOOO
for all DB needs?

Fred

On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<arielch@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Kay,
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 03:58:06PM -0700, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> Well no doubt this may start a rather heated discussion.
>
> One of my favorites quotes about Base is from Andreas S├Ąger (villeroy on
> the forums):
>
> "The difference between MS Access and Base amounts to several millions of
> Dollars and more than one decade of development time.
>
> Once you got used to MS Access, it is rather unlikely that you will ever
> be able to work with any other set of database utilities.
>
> I wish the AOO team had the balls to remove all the experimental trash
> while keeping bare important database connectivity for the pros. Since
> 2006 the whole concept of Base with the embedded HSQLDB and wizards is
> proven to be completely wrong, wrong, wrong."
>
> http://markmail.org/message/izhtpii5li57lnjn
>
>> I don't really know who the author is, but, I too, had been giving this a
>> great deal of thought. Does a user know what any of this really means, for
>> example. And, including an embedded DB like HSQL puts added responsibility
>> for that embedded DB on this project.  What if Base were  strictly  a
>> front-end?
>>
>> So, does anyone have any further insights into how many users, if any,
>> directly use Base to create and use their own individual DBs as opposed to
>> using the "front-end" capabilities?
>
> This is hard too guess. The majority of AOO users are Windows users, so
> you can asume that the "average user" that tries Base with a MS Office
> background, is looking for something like MS Access. I guess this was
> what drove Sun to create the ODB file with embedded db inside. With such
> an expectation, no wonder this average user gets frustrated with Base.
>
>
> For the whole topic, though it might be interesting to discuss it, IMHO
> it is completely pointless: look at the history in
>
> trunk/main/connectivity
> trunk/main/dbaccess
> trunk/main/reportdesign
> trunk/main/reportbuilder
>
> if there is no one to maintain the code, it will end up being dead code,
> so it's not a matter of "having the balls" (at least not *just* this);
> it's a matter of knowing the code, or willing to learn it and work on it
> (be it for removing Base embedded completely, or for fixing Base bugs,
> or developing Base features).
>
> Many mails can be written discussing dropping embedded HSQLDB engine,
> but at the end who will do this?
>
> Given that the not-so-difficult bug for building with Java 7 (it has
> even the explanation from the HSQLDB developer on the bug, telling how
> to fix it) didn't find someone to take care of him, removing HSQLDB
> seems something unrealistic. Just let it die.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina

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