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From Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Adapt the naming of our project deliverables - "OpenOffice.org" --> "Apache OpenOffice"
Date Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:35:52 GMT
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> On Jan 14, 2013, at 2:46 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 12.01.2013 00:39, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 01/11/2013 03:06 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
>>>>> On 1/10/13 3:56 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10.01.2013 11:55, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Oliver-Rainer,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10.01.2013 11:23, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have finished the renaming from "OpenOffice.org" to "Apache
>>>>>>>> OpenOffice" - see issue 121388.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beside corresponding changes in the user interface this change
has
>>>>>>>> impact on the following important and critical stuff: -
>>>>>>>> folder/directory names - package names - Windows registry
key names
>>>>>>>> and values - ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As the folder/directory path to the user profile is also
changed,
>>>>>>>> the user profile of a former installed AOO (or OOo) version
is not
>>>>>>>> taken over.
>>>>>>> for installation script purposes of add-ons etc., where can one
find
>>>>>>> the concrete strings for folder/directory names on the various
>>>>>>> operating system platforms and the Windows registry key names
and
>>>>>>> values?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, there is no single place in the source code. I also
had
>>>>>> not the resources to clean this up during the renaming work - hint,
>>>>>> hint, hint :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please have a look at issue 121388, the wiki page referenced in one
of
>>>>>> the issue's comments and the intrinsic changes I have made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The product installation folder is more or less a form of the
>>>>>> $PRODUCTNAME + [major version number]. E.g.: - Windows: "Apache
>>>>>> OpenOffice 3" - Linux: "apache_openoffice3" On Linux platforms we
have
>>>>>> also the basis installation folder. It name is found in
>>>>>> /main/instsetoo_native/util/openoffice.lst
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The user profile folder is more or less $PRODUCTNAME/[major version
>>>>>> number]/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Windows registry keys and values can be found in module main/scp2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that helps a little bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking about the name and here I mean the name that is used for
>>>>> the folder etc. The name is used in the help, in tools option, in the
>>>>> menu...
>>>>>
>>>>> We changed "OpenOffice.org" to "Apache OpenOffice" so good so far. But
>>>>> would it be nicer to shorten the folder, menu entries, ... to simply
>>>>> OpenOffice
>>>>>
>>>>> Folders Linux: /opt/openoffice4 Mac: OpenOffice.app Windows: OpenOffice
>>>>> 4
>>>>>
>>>>> Tools Option OpenOffice OpenOffice Writer OpenOffice ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Help OpenOffice instead of hundreds of "Apache OpenOffice"
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is that the project and product is called Apache OpenOffice
but
>>>>> in practice we would use in the product the short from OpenOffice. The
>>>>> intro, start center, about can of course use images where we use "Apache
>>>>> OpenOffice".
>>>>>
>>>>> Well it's just an idea and I know it would require some further work
but
>>>>> now would be the time for it. I believe legally should it be ok today
but
>>>>> it have to checked to be safe.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's your opinion?
>>>>
>>>> In general a very good idea: Shorter menu entries, etc. and a higher
>>>> attention of the open source product.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, we should get this clarified from trademarks@.
>>>
>>> If it is called Apache OpenOffice software or product on first use on certain
>>> pages then it is permissible to use short forms like OpenOffice in various
>>> places. There is no trouble with that approach. Look at the Apache Hadoop
>>> project's home page - http://hadoop.apache.org/
>>>
>>> We should make sure that somewhere we use OpenOffice.org ® for the link to
>>> the website to preserve that trademark in certain jurisdictions.
>>>
>>
>> As you might have seen, I also changed "OpenOffice.org website" to "Apache OpenOffice
website" in some place of the help content.
>>
>> Dave, do you think we should keep "OpenOffice.org" in such cases?
>
> In order to preserve registered trademark in places like China we have to have places
where we show and use OpenOffice.org®.
>
> Using that for the website is one easy and important way to do that.
>
> Is there room for a phase like "The Apache OpenOffice product website at OpenOffice.org®"?
>

That won't work.  The trademark is registered as:

"Computer software for use in database management, for use as a
spreadsheet, for word processing, that may be downloaded from a global
computer network; computer programs, namely, presentation graphics
programs, that may be downloaded from a global computer network;
software for processing images, graphics and text, that may be
downloaded from a global computer network; software for typesetting of
equations and formulae, that may be downloaded from a global computer
network."

We cannot properly use it as a trademark for a website.  Or at least
using it for the website does not count as continued use of the
trademark as registered.

But isn't it sufficient that we still distribute and support
OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 and earlier?  We still get downloads for earlier
versions.  Our website and forums still deal with earlier versions (in
addition to AOO).  So OpenOffice.org is a trademark still in use by
us.

Regards,

-Rob

> We should likely include this in the footer in the website. Probably this needs to be
a full discussion under its own topic.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>> Best regards, Oliver.
>

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