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From Fabrizio Marchesano <fmarches...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Sidebar color scheme survey
Date Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:53:09 GMT
Great news, thanks Juergen!
I installed two custom task pane extensions (in Calc and Writer context,
written in Java using the NetBeans plug-in) without making any change to
the code or configuration files, just installing the same OXTs working on
AOO 3.4.1, but, even if they where shown and worked perfectly in the
original Task Pane container, the same Tool Panels were shown empty in the
Sidebar.
Just a try (on Windows XP 32 bit and Fedora 18 64 bit) but seeing my tool
panels on the Sidebar, even empty, with their title and icon ready to be
clicked on, made me even more excited than I already was about the
opportunities given to developers (and, in consequence, users) by AOO 4.
I am at your disposal for any further test, just tell me what I have to do.
See you very soon!
Regards,

Fabrizio

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:31 PM, J├╝rgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 1/30/13 11:33 AM, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote:
> > Hello Andre,
> > thanks for your quick reply.
> >
> >> I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet.
> >
> > I'll be glad, too: I will stay in Brussels only on Saturday, I hope to
> have
> > the chance to meet you.
> >
> >>  So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very
> >> helpful if you could test them with the developer build.
> >
> > I'll try immediately and let you know (hopefully in person at FOSDEM).
> > Thanks again and best regards,
>
> it works already, I have tweaked a test extension with the old and the
> new mechanism. Supporting an own panel as well as integrating in an
> extension panel as additional dock.
>
> Andre gave me the necessary support and I plan to include in my FOSDEM
> talk. I will at least give an outlook and it open s even abetter
> integration opportunity for extensions developers.
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > Fabrizio
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Andre Fischer <awf.aoo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 30.01.2013 15:24, Fabrizio Marchesano wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello Andre,
> >>> I just tested the Sidebar Developer Build on a Windows XP virtual
> Machine
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hm, that means that it runs on XP but not on Windows7.  Strange.
> >>
> >>
> >>  and it looks really great, thanks for the great work by my side, too!
> >>> May I ask if I can include a screenshot of the Sidebar Developer Build
> >>> into
> >>> my FOSDEM presentation?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Absolutely.  I will be at FOSDEM, too, so I hope that we can meet.
> >>
> >>
> >>  The subject of my talk is the development of custom Task Pane
> estensions,
> >>> and I would like to show a glimpse of the future (of course, mentioning
> >>> the
> >>> source wiki page and specifying that the screenshot is related to a
> >>> work-in-progess UI).
> >>> I'm highly interested in custom sidebar extension development (I began
> >>> creating custom sidebar plug-ins for clients in IBM Lotus Symphony
> >>> environment) and I would like to contribute on the subject; I currently
> >>> use
> >>> Java and NetBeans plug-in to create my extension, is the source code
> for
> >>> the Java extension for development and debugging of the sidebar
> available?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not yet.  I plan on making the source public when a) I find a good place
> >> for it and b) the configuration and API changes/enhancements settle.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Is there any other way I may help?
> >>>
> >>
> >> My goal is to stay compatible with the current way of adding sidebar
> >> extensions.  So, if you develop such extensions then it would be very
> >> helpful if you could test them with the developer build.  Just install
> them
> >> like you do that now and they should be visible in both the old/current
> and
> >> the new sidebar.
> >>
> >> -Andre
> >>
> >>
> >>  About the color scheme survey, my preference goes to C1, followed by B1
> >>> and
> >>> A1.
> >>> Thanks in advance and best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Fabrizio
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Shenfeng Liu <liushenf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Andre,
> >>>>    Thanks for the great work!
> >>>>    I search out the original sidebar post on facebook:
> >>>> http://www.facebook.com/**ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910<
> http://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/395424523873910>
> >>>>    And the result till now shows that B1 and B3 are more favorite, and
> >>>> A1 is
> >>>> following.
> >>>>
> >>>>    Here is what I counted out (some people voted for multiple options.
> >>>> And
> >>>> if some one just say "I like 3", I will +1 for A3, B3 and C3):
> >>>>
> >>>> A1: 4
> >>>> A2: 1
> >>>> A3: 2
> >>>> B1: 5
> >>>> B2: 1
> >>>> B3: 5
> >>>> C1: 2
> >>>> C2: 1
> >>>> C3: 3
> >>>>
> >>>> - Shenfeng (Simon)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2013/1/30 Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Andre,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is looking really great.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Re: colour
> >>>>> An initial goal for the sidebar is to compliment, but not compete
> with
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> distract users from the canvas. In an effort to minimize UI noise
and
> >>>>>
> >>>> help
> >>>>
> >>>>> keep the focus on the editor canvas - the work - I recommend we
> adopt a
> >>>>> hybrid of proposal 1 & 3: a grey background with suitable contrast
> for
> >>>>>
> >>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>> title sections, a darker grey.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Another option might be to use a gradient for the section title.
> Darker
> >>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>> lighter, top to bottom. This would frame the header, reinforce the
> >>>>> expand/collapse affordable And reinforce the info architecture.
More
> >>>>> importantly, if the gradient resolved to the background colour,
it
> would
> >>>>> eliminate the line between the header text and the content. This
will
> >>>>> strengthen the association between the section title and content
and
> >>>>> mitigate the Lego effect. I can prep a sketch to illustrate my point.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Re: control styles
> >>>>> Again, noise reduction and consistency would be best. Flat
> backgrounds
> >>>>>
> >>>> are
> >>>>
> >>>>> consistent with other toolbars and reduce non-actionable pixels.
I
> >>>>> recommend we implement Proposal B.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Again, great job.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm looking forward to exploring new and exciting uses for the
> sidebar
> >>>>> framework.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Kevin
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:41 PM, Andre Fischer <awf.aoo@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Development of the sidebar is progressing well.  It already
looks a
> lot
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> like the mockups posted by Xin Li on December 18th [1].  I have
> >>>>> concentrated on the underlying framework, so there is only one
> partially
> >>>>> migrated panel so far.  Nevertheless the framework is now flexible
> >>>>> enough
> >>>>> to think about the default color scheme to use. There are developer
> >>>>>
> >>>> builds
> >>>>
> >>>>> [2] and an extension that allow live evaluation of the nine different
> >>>>>
> >>>> color
> >>>>
> >>>>> schemes from [1].
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1]
or try
> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> General information about the sidebar, the current state of
> development
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> and how to help can be found in the wiki [3].
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks in advance for you help,
> >>>>>> Andre
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/AOO_UX_Design_**
> >>>> Exploration_-_Task_Pane_**Content_Panel_-_User_**
> >>>> Interface_Design_Proposals#**Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_**
> >>>> Design_propoals<
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
> >
> >>>>
> >>>>> [2] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds<
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar#Developer_Builds>
> >>>>>> [3] http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Sidebar<
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Sidebar>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> PS: I remember Rob having asked the same question on our Facebook
> site
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> but can not find the email anymore.  I also remember that the
> feedback
> >>>>>
> >>>> was
> >>>>
> >>>>> somewhat inconclusive.  Does anybody know the details?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
>
>

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