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From Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on Google)
Date Thu, 03 Jan 2013 09:22:16 GMT
On 1/2/13 9:05 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> Howdy Jürgen,
> 
> Hmm - well, I had understood it was ALv2 specifically so that it would be
> available to the project here.
> 
> Hopefully when the developers make a drop of the code it will be something
> that the devs here will want to utilize it, wasn't really fair to ask
> anyone to comment on something they haven't seen yet.

I hope so too, on the other hand it is paid development work and the
question is what does it mean to make it available in both projects ;-)

> 
> I think in the long run support for the format is worthwhile, to be honest
> if Google would actually support ODF in and out for wp,ss,pr I would not
> care so much.

That is true but Google is looking what their customers need or want
which of course is natural. And OOXML was pushed with a lot of money in
the market and into a standard. I personally lose trust in standards a
little bit after this sad story but many people don't care too much
about it. The label ISO standard is enough and the technical details are
not interesting. But that is reality and I have stopped to think too
idealistic ;-)

That means it is important to have a good OOXML support as well in the
future to continue the game.

Juergen

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Jürgen Schmidt <jogischmidt@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> On 12/25/12 5:50 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
>>> Thanks for that - I knew  of that initiative. Does the project intend to
>>> integrate their work?
>>
>> sure, OOXML can't be ignored and we are interested in the work. I think
>> it was the main intention to make the "paid" work available in both AOO
>> and LibreOffice and that's the reason for the chosen license ALv2.
>>
>> Unfortunately we haven't seen any line of code (or any patch) so far but
>> we are in contact with the OSBA and will be informed as soon as the
>> patches are available.
>>
>> We as project are open for any kind of collaboration on this topic and
>> we would like to avoid duplicate work.
>>
>> Especially the OOXML export is currently missing in AOO and volunteers
>> who are interested on this topic are welcome.
>>
>> From my point of view it makes much more sense to combine the resources
>> we have instead of competing. Did I mention that I am personally not
>> interested in competing with a derivative product based on the same code
>> base. I am simply interested to continue the success of OpenOffice under
>> the well known brand and I am happy if all the improvements of AOO will
>> find their way in LO as well (and they do) and if they are identified or
>> marked in a proper way ;-)
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <orcmid@apache.org
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The slides are here:
>>>>
>>>>   <http://www.slideshare.net/nice/apache-eurocon2012-matthiasstuermer>
>>>>
>>>> It appears that some of the milestone results, as Apache-licensed
>>>> tarballs, should already be in the hands of the Open Source Business
>>>> Alliance.  Those should be available to anyone.  This is probably a good
>>>> place to watch for them (auf Deutsch):
>>>> <http://www.osb-alliance.de/working-groups/office-interoperability/>.
>>>>
>>>>  - Dennis
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pedro Giffuni [mailto:pfg@apache.org]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 16:16
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: User initiative for improving OOXML (was Re: AOO questions on
>>>> Google)
>>>>
>>>> Hello;
>>>>
>>>> The ASF is a non-profit organization, we don't pay for coding but
>>>> concerning docx support there was a talk from Matthias Stürmer
>>>> in ApacheConEU:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apachecon.eu/schedule/presentation/46/
>>>>
>>>> This effort, of course, predates the establishment of AOO as a TLP
>>>> so we were not consulted. It is a well intended initiative but despite
>>>> the funding it appears to have produced no results for OpenOffice
>>>> so far.
>>>>
>>>> We had a chance to talk with Matthias and while I won't make any
>>>> comments, I would think the organizers will make their own
>>>> evaluation and will likely consider the results before engaging in
>>>> future investments of this kind.
>>>>
>>>> Pedro.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> Da: Andrew Pitonyak <andrew@pitonyak.org>
>>>>> A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>> Inviato: Domenica 23 Dicembre 2012 14:46
>>>>> Oggetto: Re: AOO questions on Google
>>>>>
>>>>> No save as for docx is why libre is installed on a few machines i
>>>> sometimes deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
>>>>>
>>>>> "F C. Costero" <fjcc.apache@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Since there is some interest in this particular topic, here are the 9
>>>>> questions I categorized as MS Interoperability with the number of
>> positive
>>>>> votes appended to each in parentheses.
>>>>> 1. I tryed to save my word processor file as a MS Word file  only
>>>>> extensions listed in the drop down were for text or Open Office, no
>> Word
>>>>> option.  Help function said I should have had that option in the drop
>> down
>>>>> under save as. version 3.4.1.
>>>>> Could you add a converter for format MS .docx as the actual converter
>> for
>>>>> .doc does not work proper. It mix up text and drawings and make the
>> whole
>>>>> page a mess. (1)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. hello,
>>>>> How can i open openoffice file with microsoft office?
>>>>> Gr Sam Esman (5)
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. What kind of OOXML support is intended in AOO?
>>>>> Transitional (MS Word) version or ISO (does someone really implement
>> it?).
>>>>> (3)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. If save filter is implemented, don't you fear a weakening of the ODF
>>>>> then? (6)
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. allow open office to use ms office defaults (5)
>>>>>
>>>>> 6. can i install openoffice when i have microsoft office on my computer
>>>> (4)
>>>>>
>>>>> 7. OpenOffice, should be able to open properly all 'Word office' files.
>>>> (9)
>>>>>
>>>>> 8. Is open office compatible with Office 2010? (8)
>>>>>
>>>>> 9. Open Office doesn't handle tables in Word well - for example
>> re-sizing
>>>>> of columns, keeping table rows together, inserting page breaks within
>>>>> tables. Could OO development include a goal of fully matching MS Office
>>>>> functionality for tables? (13)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Drew Jensen <
>> drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Long time since I said anything and so how about,
>>>>>> Happy Holidays, to start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to say that the #2 doesn't surprise me at all and yes I would
>>>> strongly
>>>>>> suspect it has lots to do with OOXML. Don't forget that this does
not
>>>>>> necessarily mean interoperability with MSO it also
>>>>>> means interchangeability with GDocs as best as I can tell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton <
>> orcmid@apache.org
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Concerning Microsoft Office interoperability, I suspect the absence
>>>> of a
>>>>>>> way to save documents in OOXML formats is a detractor from Apache
>>>>>>> OpenOffice 3.4.  There are the usual interchange fidelity issues
as
>>>> well,
>>>>>>> depending on which interchangeable formats are used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  - Dennis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: janI [mailto:jani@apache.org]
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 02:37
>>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: AOO questions on Google
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I asumed that LO would be #1, but I am amazed about
#2 (MS
>>>>>>> Office interoperability  and Other formats) I thought that was
one of
>>>> our
>>>>>>> very strong sides. I might be worthwhile to look a bit deeper
into
>>>> that,
>>>>>>> and see if the cause for the questions is in lack of features,
lack
>> of
>>>>>>> documentation or someelse, to give a clue of what to do ? Maybe
we
>>>> can do
>>>>>>> something with 4.0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan I.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 December 2012 04:00, F C. Costero <fjcc.apache@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>>>>> MS Office interoperability    54
>>>>>>>> Non-English    15
>>>>>>>> Other formats    54
>>>>>>> [ ... ]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
> 


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