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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: IAccessible2 integration for AOO 4.0
Date Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:17:55 GMT
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
> I don't think the web site situation is an equivalent.  I also don't think the choice
of base for integration of Symphony features is relevant.
> I am concerned about the Symphony tree being in the public SVN and being an attractive
nuisance.  If it is not going to be morphed into something that can be worked with and integrated
by the community of contributors, I recommend that it be gone.

Feel free to make a proposal in a new thread, seek lazy consensus and
act on it after 72 hours.  You have karma.


> (Of course, I can remove it from any working copy that I possess, and I shall do that
in switching to the new repository location.)
>  - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir []
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 14:25
> To:
> Subject: Re: IAccessible2 integration for AOO 4.0
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <> wrote:
>>   "Remember, we wrote it."
>>   Well, I suppose the notion of "work for hire" might provide some nuance to "we".
> And the CCLA covers that side of it.
>>   I gather this means that IBM-associated contributors will make ALv2-covered contributions
directly to the SVN and/or via patches and that is the provenance there is.  That should safeguard
the interests of the ASF.
>>   So what is the point of there being a Symphony portion of the SVN tree?
> Go back to the discussion on this list when we initially checked it
> in.  We had a long discussion about what to do with that code, with
> the two main options being: 1) Make /symphony be the new trunk and
> merge the delta from AOO 3.4 into Symphony, or 2) Keep the current AOO
> trunk and merge selected features from Symphony into the AOO trunk.
> The decision ultimately was to do 2), what we refer to as the "slow
> merge".  Since we took that direction the /symphony tree has not
> undergone development.  Its main value (in retrospect) was to support
> that decision making process.  Of course, if we had decided to take
> the other approach then /symphony would become the new trunk and the
> usual clean up activities would have occurred on the way to releasing
> that trunk.
> Remember, IP Cleanup is not just about changing the headers.  It is a
> longer process, culminating in a vote to accept the code base.  Once a
> code base is accepted, we should be releasing it and doing the other
> kinds of maintenance functions -- security patches, etc. -- that a
> responsible PMC does for its releases.  But I see zero volunteers
> stepping forward to maintain a second office suite in this project.
> So it makes no sense to me to spend time on a tree that we're never
> going to release.
>>   I now agree with a comment that you made in a previous discussion about this. 
I think it should be removed if it is never going to be IP-scrubbed.
> We have another direction in Subversion that is also odd.  It has an
> eclectic set of licenses on its files.  In some cases it includes
> files where we cannot clearly identify the license.  Instead of
> hypotheticals we have actual examples of real 3rd parties wanting to
> reuse the files, but we're not always able to clearly point them to
> the license terms.  We don't even have an SGA for these files.  So
> should we delete this directory as well?  Of course, I speak of our
> website in /ooo-site.  IMHO, it is not a problem so long as we don't
> include it in a release.
> -Rob
>>  - Dennis
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir []
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:41
>> To:;
>> Subject: Re: IAccessible2 integration for AOO 4.0
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <> wrote:
>>> Is this to be based on the Symphony code?
>> Dennis,  we have Symphony code within IBM.  Remember, we wrote it.
>> Whatever code we check in is covered by signed ICLA's and CCLA's.
>> That should address all reasonable concerns with regards to the
>> provenance of the code.
>> -Rob
>>>  - Dennis
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Steve Yin []
>>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 01:07
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Re: IAccessible2 integration for AOO 4.0
>>> Thanks for both of your suggestions. The time table will be provided later.
>>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM, J├╝rgen Schmidt <>wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/12 6:59 AM, Steve Yin wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I propose to integrate IAccessible2 as an accessibility feature for
>>>> > 4.0. A wiki for the effort estimation can be found here:
>>>> >
>>>> > Here is my question. Should I create a feature in AOO Bugzilla and a
>>>> branch
>>>> > for development?
>>>> >
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>> this is good news. I would suggest that you give some details what do
>>>> you expect to implement when. The integration of IAccessible2 is a
>>>> bigger task and I don't see it all integrated in the next 4 month or so.
>>>> Creating a new feature task in bugzilla would be the normal procedure
>>>> and a new branch is a must from my perspective for this huge piece of work.
>>>> Good to see progress on this important integration.
>>>> Juergen
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Steve Yin

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