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Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:36:46 +0100
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Subject: Re: AOO volunteers: essential skills and tasks
From: jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
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+1 to your 3 layer strategy.

I have made a proposal for the wiki page, however I am not competent to
fill in the tasks.
http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Communication/new_contributors&action=submit

I have NOT linked it in anywhere, but a natural link would in
"participation" on the main page.

Jan.

On 31 October 2012 18:59, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:46 PM, jan iversen <jancasacondor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I think your md pages are SUPER....what I suggested was an additional
> wiki
> > page (actually someone else called it postoffice) where we put small
> tasks
> > that need to be translated / written etc.
> >
> > So I see your pages go hand in hand with Wiki pages, just too different
> > levels of interaction with the community.
> >
>
> Right.   So maybe when we do a wider "call for volunteers" we can
> offer three tracks:
>
> 1) Sign up for ooo-dev and "drink from the firehose"  (our only current
> option)
>
> 2) A short intro on the wiki, one that doesn't exist yet, but maybe
> someone can write one.
>
> 3) A longer self-paced intro on the website (what I'm working on)
>
> They are volunteers, so we can't force them to do anything.  But we
> can offer them a few choices.  I'm happy to provide one of those
> choices.  Who wants to provide another?
>
> -Rob
>
> > jan
> >
> > On 31 October 2012 16:59, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/28/2012 04:30 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Andrea Pescetti <
> pescetti@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 23/10/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> New Volunteer Orientation root page:
> >> >>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/orientation/
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is an excellent resource. But we received a few requests from
> >> >>> prospective volunteers this weekend and I'm believing it would be
> >> >>> overwhelming to point them there. I still believe these documents
> are
> >> >>> excellent, but probably they are assuming our volunteer is above
> >> average,
> >> >>> or
> >> >>> at least willing to engage deeply with the project. They would be
> >> perfect
> >> >>> for me, for you, or for a newcomer like Jan who has the skills and
> the
> >> >>> mindset to understand in detail how things work.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> And how do we know in advance which volunteers are like Jan and which
> >> are
> >> >> not?
> >> >>
> >> >> I think we should find some way to point them to the info and say
> that
> >> >> they are welcome to jump in and ignore this all, or skim it in
> >> >> parallel with direct participation, or read through this stuff first.
> >> >> It is entirely up to them.
> >> >>
> >> >> But generally, the more one needs to interact with other project
> >> >> participants and other systems and even other parts of Apache, the
> >> >> more this information becomes useful.   Although not stated, one
> could
> >> >> almost say that "Level 4" would be becoming a Committer.  So you are
> >> >> correct that this is a track for a more determined volunteer,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> But we will also have (and we do have: most volunteers I see on the
> >> >>> mailing
> >> >>> lists in Italian fall in this category) volunteers who don't care
> that
> >> >>> much
> >> >>> about OpenOffice as a project: they use the product and just want to
> >> give
> >> >>> something back. They want to scratch an itch, or just to do
> something,
> >> >>> but
> >> >>> they are very task-oriented: they want something to do rather than
> >> >>> something
> >> >>> to read. For example, we may have translation volunteers who would
> be
> >> >>> perfectly satisfied if we e-mail them a PO file and tell them to
> grab
> >> >>> POEdit
> >> >>> and send the file back; and then they would consider a deeper
> >> engagement,
> >> >>> but not earlier.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Translation volunteers are different in many ways, but even there I
> >> >> think we need some solid orientation material.  They won't go far
> >> >> before wondering why they cannot write to Pootle and the website, but
> >> >> others can.  That leads us into discussion of roles at Apache, etc.
> >> >> And we really need to expose them to the Apache License at the
> >> >> earliest opportunity.  We do no one any favors if we're passing
> around
> >> >> PO files via private mail, and receiving translations without any
> >> >> public record of contribution.
> >> >>
> >> >> In any case, this is an issue we've had for a while.  Becoming a
> >> >> Committer is a higher hurdle than is appropriate for most translation
> >> >> volunteers, due to iCLA, etc.  The orientation guides did not create
> >> >> this problem, they merely remind us of it.
> >> >>
> >> >>> And indeed they are not totally wrong: knowing how the Apache Board
> >> works
> >> >>> is
> >> >>> not needed to be able to translate a press release, or a few
> OpenOffice
> >> >>> strings, into Italian.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Could it be that we need a "practical" entry point for people who
> want
> >> to
> >> >>> help and just want to do it immediately? Placing these information
> at
> >> >>> level
> >> >>> 3 of the "Volunteer Orientation" seems too much for volunteers who
> want
> >> >>> to
> >> >>> jump in and do something (while, again, the orientation guide is
> >> >>> excellent
> >> >>> for a skilled, determined volunteer).
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Since "level 3" for translators does not exist yet, it may be too
> >> >> early to say whether or not is "practical".   (I hope it will be
> >> >> practical).  If we make it self-contained, it may be possible for it
> >> >> be consulted on its own for someone who is not seeking deeper
> >> >> engagement with the project.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Rob
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>>    Andrea.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Rob,
> >> >
> >> > I still support this whole notion. But, maybe it would be better to go
> >> with
> >> > more of a "checklist" style instead of the in-depth explanations you
> >> have in
> >> > this document.
> >> >
> >> > What if you ported this to the wiki (Jan suggested this as well.
> cwiki is
> >> > easiest for me but I have no object to wiki.openoffice.org) so those
> of
> >> us
> >> > that are interested can more easily contribute to this worthwhile
> guide.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Of course you are free to start whatever wiki page you wish.  But I'll
> >> be continuing with the mdtext pages I've started.  This is based on my
> >> experience with providing orientation to many of our Symphony
> >> developers on how Apache projects work and how to participate in such
> >> a community.  This approach works.   Other approaches might work for
> >> others as well.  But I'm going to give this a try.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> > Thanks for starting this. It is needed.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > MzK
> >> >
> >> > "Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never
> >> >  dealt with a cat."
> >> >                                -- Robert Heinlein
> >>
>

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