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From "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
Subject RE: What is a good Project Management Committee member?
Date Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:07:25 GMT
I see two things happening on this thread:  Creation of a laundry list for what a PMC member
should be.  A request for PPMC members to be introspective.

I suggest that there is a single issue that, if it were addressed instead, would unlock appreciation
of what needs to be introduced in order for the podling to graduate.

The feedback offered to us is that this podling has failed to demonstrate self-governance
(in the Apache Way of things), particularly with regard to healthy community building.  That's
the feedback.  

It's not about technical skills, the quality of the code base, participation in various activities,
none of those things.

Here are two questions that should be for someone to answer about us:

 1. What would be the visible evidence that the podling, with its PMC, is self-governing and
healthy, with strong fostering of a sustainable community?

 2. In what ways do PMC members demonstrate their commitment to creation and sustaining of
such a healthy self-governing project?

Here's one suggestion: Participants and contributors experience being welcome and valued.

Here's another: Suggestions and discussion is respectful with thoughtful consideration and
honoring of all viewpoints.

I wager that others can say what would have them know they are in an exciting, thriving community.
 What do you see?

I prefer affirmative qualities.  Sometimes it is necessary to also say what would not be evident.
 Bull-dozing, hogging the microphone, etc.  I invite focus on positive qualities.  Perhaps
there is a positive quality on how non-constructive behaviors are dealt with, though.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Juergen Schmidt [] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 21:56
Subject: Re: What is a good Project Management Committee member?

Am Donnerstag, 6. September 2012 um 05:30 schrieb Rob Weir:
[ ... ]

... The idea is more that people start thinking about the PMC and what it does mean to be
a member of it.
For example if a PPMC thinks that it is happy with the thinks it is doing and don't want to
be in the final PMC for some reason this member can give us as signal.
> For example we recently had a PPMC member who was derided by a Mentor
> for not being interested in the CMS. It was suggested that this was a
> failure as a PMC member. I disagree. It is fine to focus
> contributions in one area do long as one takes care to consider the
> community wide implications of those contributions and is helping to
> grow and support the community in that area.

I agree again and the question is how to find the strong PMC team. My thought with my email
was that the current PPMC members help actively by reflecting their own role.
> Think of an orchestra. We don't expect every player to play every
> instrument. But we do expect a musicianship, the ability to play your
> part well and in a way that fits with the others, knowing that you
> might have a solo sometimes, but at other times you might be playing
> harmony or even have a rest.

I like this comparison very much it fits perfect in our case.

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