Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 077E59DA8 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 60035 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jul 2012 13:50:26 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59700 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jul 2012 13:50:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 59677 invoked by uid 99); 18 Jul 2012 13:50:25 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:50:25 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FSL_FREEMAIL_1,FSL_FREEMAIL_2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [72.30.239.209] (HELO nm40-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com) (72.30.239.209) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:50:18 +0000 Received: from [98.139.214.32] by nm40.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 13:49:57 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.232] by tm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 13:49:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Jul 2012 13:49:57 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 19756.74632.bm@omp1041.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80252 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2012 13:49:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1342619396; bh=1zfCUTDuRN5Zyembj/nTB+3ph7mKs6C52WWIC4uNF+c=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bPT6e6p8LLYUOaI3UMPFUxWExbxXif1rNG9WuY6AZUsYbTd9V3+MDKWGIPVrqSq/SRUPOfnWLpNyIkwzxj5OAqoL6oidMViP62W0EDGbwYl+rB8Ex0DEyskQl/nomi8orxNubU3BJ3nmuC6XCTF76gXtu4qFu+6oh0wCBw+vXqk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SHuCO1VcvFVHz+a+2+uCJN4XS71ZmfzmuyIKLmlEKFm9iLd0faFbYMyGh6XBNQZILrA2iArp0BCIgWIWwq3fcZKc/nDYPY8zYmkfDawDkRp2DmqxwneBgOwJYT6dZjzvmKoh19WphWm3s5gNOgrkhGkX+V61AZqkJeMPeoQFIQI=; X-YMail-OSG: YzTXIRsVM1kiCDb8CglC.sw8nkBxFCQiX8JIikhwuMYhEXB VIQqJF2VM Received: from [99.135.28.65] by web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:49:56 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: <1342548257.3181.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5005B3B3.6080401@laposte.net> <1342551992.46752.YahooMailNeo@web160904.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <5005C6A5.2050803@laposte.net> <5006653E.9090102@apache.org> Message-ID: <1342619396.76942.YahooMailNeo@web160903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 06:49:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Schaefer Reply-To: Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" Cc: "hagar.delest@laposte.net" In-Reply-To: <5006653E.9090102@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ----- Original Message -----=0A=0A> From: Andrea Pescetti =0A> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org=0A> Cc: hagar.delest@laposte.net= =0A> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:26 AM=0A> Subject: Re: On parks, comm= ons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)=0A> =0A> Hagar Delest wrote:=0A>>= You've taken the fun out of it. ...=0A>> As a consequence, I resign from= my PPMC role and will unsubscribe the=0A>> dev & private mailing lists ri= ght now.=0A> =0A> It's a very sad (hopefully temporary) consequence.=0A> = =0A> It proves that the OpenOffice project is not mature yet: it can still = happen =0A> that one person's (well-meant) behavior can force a valuable co= ntributor out =0A> of this project without this contributor having done any= thing against the =0A> project.=0A> =0A> This community must become stronge= r and more welcoming: we've improved a lot =0A> in handling localization vo= lunteers recently, and further improvements will come =0A> naturally. But w= e can't afford to lose community volunteers this way.=0A=0AWell yes the los= s is disappointing, let's hope he reconsiders.=A0 But as I have=0Asaid befo= re, this project has a rather serious "human resource shortfall" when=0Ait = comes to the www.openoffice.org website.=A0 There are literally thousands u= pon=0Athousands of pages there, some of it in languages foreign to the exis= ting set=0Aof committers, and of Dave's 20 or so volunteers who have contri= buted so far,=0Asignificantly less than 100 pages have been touched by huma= n hands over=0Athe past year- other than through Dave's sledgehammers to si= tewide header and=0Afooter templates.=A0 As a mentor that remains an ongoin= g unsolved problem for this=0Agroup to pay some attention to.=A0 Let's not = lose sight of the big picture here.=0A=0ASo instead of entirely focusing on= the potential loss of a key individual, I will=0Acontinue to advocate the = position that we encourage people to get actively involved=0Ain the care an= d upkeep of the site, starting with fellow committers on the project=0Aand = expanding to potential interested parties on this list.