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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:01:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
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Larry,=0A=0AI trust you reserve this behavior for this mailing list and=0Ad=
o not subject forum participants to the pack-animal behavior=0Ayou've been =
exhibiting here lately.=A0 The biggest concern I have=0Ahere with forum par=
ticipants on this list is how their behavior=0Ahere translates to their con=
duct in the forums- I hope we would=0Ahavegotten wind of it by now if this =
were commonplace over there.=0AHagar was brought in to help ensure PPMC ove=
rsight over that activity;=0Aif he steps down I'm not sure who should repla=
ce him.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A> From: Larry Gusaas <lar=
ry.gusaas@gmail.com>=0A> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent=
: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:54 PM=0A> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and we=
bsites... and fun (or lack of)=0A> =0A> =0A> On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Scha=
efer wrote:=0A>>>  ________________________________=0A>>>  From: Hagar Dele=
st <hagar.delest@laposte.net>=0A>>>  To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org=0A>>>=
  Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM=0A>>>  Subject: Re: On parks, common=
s, and websites... and fun (or lack of)=0A>>> =0A>>>  Let's be clear: I don=
't have the desire to take the effort to =0A> do such thing.=0A>>>  I volun=
teer to this project on my free time because I like it. But the =0A> deal=
=0A>>>  is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I =0A=
> find some=0A>>>  fun in it.=0A>>>  So I won't engage in things that bore =
me. If you can't =0A> understand this simple=0A>>>  fact, there is no point=
 discussing further.=0A>>  Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you f=
ind website work boring =0A> and=0A>>  beneath you.=A0 As I've tried to mak=
e clear to you, people here who do =0A> that=0A>>  sort of work on your beh=
alf or provide you with the tools to make that work=0A>>  less boring for y=
ou will often find your attitude insulting and degrading =0A> and=0A>>  yes=
 unfun.=A0 Others won't mind in the least.=A0 Such is life.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>=
>>  If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it =0A=
> myself too?=0A>>  Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you wo=
uld have realized =0A> that.=0A>> =0A>>>  I think not. And again, I'm a com=
mitter only because I accepted to =0A> report for=0A>>>  the forums on the =
blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool and =0A> a new responsibi=
lity).=0A>>  Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials.=0A>>=
 =0A>> =0A>>>  Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy.=0A>>> =0A>>> =
 I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I =0A> t=
hought there=0A>>>  would be some interesting development for the future of=
 AOO and it =0A> could be fun to=0A>>>  contribute to it. But if it means b=
eing bashed like that (thinking it =0A> would be a good=0A>>  thing to repo=
rt a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of =0A> it.=0A>> =0A>>=
 =0A>>  I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you =0A> =
either.=A0 I have=0A>>  challenged you to increase your level of contributi=
on to this project to =0A> match=0A>>  the expectations of the other partic=
ipants and committers on this mailing =0A> list.=0A>>  Having said no there=
's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip =0A> your karma=0A>>  for not=
 trying.=A0 The worst thing that will likely happen to you are the =0A> usu=
al=0A>>  social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of you=
r peers, =0A> which=0A>>  may not bother you either.=A0 Different strokes f=
or different folks- there is =0A> no=0A>>  need for further drama here.=0A>=
 =0A> Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of =
language is =0A> insulting, =0A> despite your claims otherwise. You need to=
 learn how to encourage people.=0A> =0A> Hagar was a very valuable member o=
f this project. Your mean spirited attacks =0A> have caused him to =0A> res=
ign.=0A> =0A> Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mento=
r. Not.=0A> =0A> -- =0A> _________________________________=0A> =0A> Larry I=
. Gusaas=0A> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada=0A> Website: http://larry-gusaa=
s.com=0A> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far beh=
ind =0A> theirs." - Edgard Varese=0A>