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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
Date Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:38:52 GMT

> From: Hagar Delest <>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM
>Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of)
>Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to do such thing.
>I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But the deal
>is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I find some
>fun in it.
>So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't understand this simple
>fact, there is no point discussing further.

Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work boring and
beneath you.  As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do that
sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that work
less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and degrading and
yes unfun.  Others won't mind in the least.  Such is life.

>If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it myself too?

Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have realized that.

>I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to report for
>the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool and a new responsibility).

Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials.

>Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy.
>I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I thought there
>would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it could be fun to
>contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking it would be a good
thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of it.

I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you either.  I have
challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project to match
the expectations of the other participants and committers on this mailing list.
Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip your karma
for not trying.  The worst thing that will likely happen to you are the usual
social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your peers, which
may not bother you either.  Different strokes for different folks- there is no
need for further drama here.

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