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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: How to handle the native language lists?
Date Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:52:48 GMT
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Kay Schenk <> wrote:
> On 10/20/2011 04:04 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>> Am 10/20/2011 09:04 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>> Proposal:
>>> 1) Create a single user-language list for each native language where
>>> there is an active user list today, and where we can identify three
>>> committed moderators, preferably at least one from the PMC.
>> Before this I would ask on all language-respective MLs if someone is
>> still at home and would like to come over to ASF; also because the OOo
>> MLs will be shutdown in x days. Even when the most requests will be in
>> English (as we cannot translate the text into all languages) we should
>> get feedback. So, as more people will respond it will justify a new ML.
>>> If there is currently a discuss list as well as a user list in that
>>> language, combine then into the user list.
>>> Currently, that would mean the creation of the following new lists
>>> (assuming we find moderators), like:
>>> ooo-users-de (German)
>>> ooo-users-fr (French)
>>> ooo-users-it (Italian)
>>> ooo-users-es (Spanish)
>>> ooo-users-br-pt (Brazilian Portuguese) (or can we generalize this to
>>> pt in general?)
>> Yes, lets start with a common ML.
>>> ooo-nl (Dutch)
>>> ooo-ja (Japanese)
>> Do you mean a different one as we have already a "ja" one?
> This looks fine but is there some way we can keep the naming convention the
> consistent for all -- i.e. ooo-"lang" vs. ooo-users-"lang".
> I think it would make things easier in the long run.

So these are user lists.  Will we want language-specific translation
and localization lists at some point?  That is why I thought it would
make sense to have "user" in the name.  So then in the future we can
have, e..g., ooo-translate-de, etc., if needed.


>>> There may be other language we want to cover as well. The list
>>> above is intended to illustrative, not exclusive. The important thing
>>> is that when dealing with users, we need to meet them on their terms,
>>> not ours. The request for at least three moderators is because a user
>>> list needs more than just spam protection. We need moderators
>>> committed to actively participate on those lists. A user list that
>>> has been abandoned is very bad for the image of the project. Since
>>> the PPMC cannot easily monitor what is happening on a non-English
>>> mailing list, we will need to have high confidence that there are
>>> sufficient volunteers on the list to make it succeed.
>> IMHO we should still wait for a number of users and interested people of
>> a specific language. Otherwise we have some MLs but no people.
>> For example, many weeks ago I've seen a request to create a German ML
>> but after that no more support and therefor the request is dead.
>> However, until today I don't see sorrow about this.
>>> 2) For project-related (as opposed to user-related) lists, align them
>>> with the closest existing AOOo list.
>>> For example:
>>> --> ooo-marketing
>>> --> ooo-marketing
>>> --> ooo-dev
>>> and so on. We're a single Apache project with a single product.
>>> Although there may be local marketing efforts, there should be a
>>> single marketing conversation. Ditto for other aspects of the
>>> project.
>>> The net result will be take 300+ existing OOo mailing lists and map
>>> them to a much smaller number of AOOo mailing lists, maybe a dozen
>>> total in the end. This will require understanding and good will from
>>> all. Non-native English speakers and native speakers will need to
>>> adjust how they interact, and in general be more understanding.
>>> So that's my proposal. I have my asbestos underwear on. Feel free to
>>> start the flaming,
>> Ahm, you know that asbestos is cancer-causing? I would recomment to
>> change to Teflon-coated underwear (should be comfortable up to 327 °C
>> resp. 620 °F). Otherwise cancer is not far away. :-P
>> Marcus
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