Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAF287302 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63785 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2011 18:32:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 63745 invoked by uid 500); 30 Sep 2011 18:32:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 63737 invoked by uid 99); 30 Sep 2011 18:32:19 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:32:19 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of simon@webmink.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.175] (HELO mail-wy0-f175.google.com) (74.125.82.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 18:32:10 +0000 Received: by wyh5 with SMTP id 5so1471535wyh.6 for ; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.166.139 with SMTP id g11mr4843152wel.20.1317407509868; Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.7] (172.79.2.81.in-addr.arpa. [81.2.79.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en20sm10306415wbb.20.2011.09.30.11.31.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Having New Committers also be on the PPMC From: Simon Phipps In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:31:44 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <00cf01cc7f0d$90fec5a0$b2fc50e0$@apache.org> <207D9978-C34F-4358-9801-92115CE75C1C@webmink.com> <5845FF88-D7F6-4DCE-9F44-B6E1136AB9ED@webmink.com> <417223A6-49BD-403C-8EF8-D83905B04D29@webmink.com> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 30 Sep 2011, at 19:15, Rob Weir wrote: > We have never adopted a formal position of having everyone be a > committer and PPMC member. So if we did not change anything, we would > still not have such a policy. I'm not arguing against the status quo > of not having such a policy. You appear to be arguing against the status quo of all new committers = joining the PPMC though. So my question remains, is there really a = problem with waiting until graduation to adjust this project's PMC?=20 My sense is that the project is still in a formative stage and will need = significant changes to the PMC before graduation - it has a number of = PMC members who in a normal Apache project would not even be committers, = for example. Once the dynamics of a fully functional project are evident = I would expect to see a more complete rethink. The partial move of = restricting admission to the PPMC now is counterintuitive if there is no = current harm being done. S.