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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Umbrella projects
Date Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:48:33 GMT
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rob Weir <> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Simon Phipps <>
>>> To:
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 9:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Umbrella projects
>>> On 12 Sep 2011, at 14:12, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>  It would be useful if you explained what you meant by "autonomy"
>>> so it
>>>>  is clear about what you are talking about.
>>> "Autonomy" in the case of a localisation would mean being free to
>>> create releases without needing to translate decisions made by the developers
>>> (regardless of what's changed) into any other language. Obviously anything
>>> that moves upstream would need to be represented in English.
>> Provided that there are sane versioning rules for the sources, I don't
>> see why a local language "preliminary release vote" needs to be held here.
>> OTOH I do know that the only votes that count are (P)PMC votes, so any source
>> release needs to follow all the normal rules of an ASF release, including
>> soliciting positive votes from the IPMC on general@incubator.
>> Once the project graduates those per-lang decisions still need to be carried
>> out by PMC members, tho they don't necessarily have to do it on an English
>> language mailing list, provided they are able to accept votes from
>> English-speaking-only members of the PMC regarding their candidates.
> I disagree.  I don't think, for example, that it would be sufficient
> to call for a release vote in Japanese on a Japanese mailing list.
> This would be true, even if three PPMC members were contacted off list
> to point them to the otherwise obscure voting thread.  That is
> tantamount to a stealth ballot.   Why not just send the ballot to
> ooo-commits in Sumerian?
> We need a standard, well-known, recognized "polling place" for votes
> to occur, and I think that is be with ooo-dev.

Just thinking.... Could also handle this like we do with podling
committer votes, where we cc the IPMC on the initial vote thread and
the results.

So a language list could do a similar thing:  cc the ooo-dev list
initially, including an English translation of the proposal, so the
PPMC is fairly notified.  Then continue with the vote on their NL
list, but cc ooo-dev on the results.

So votes can occur on other threads, but they all must include ooo-dev
on the initial [VOTE] and [VOTE][RESULTS] posts.

Would that make everyone happy?

> -Rob

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