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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: [Was: Re: [Discussion]]
Date Tue, 23 Aug 2011 21:37:30 GMT
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Marcus (OOo) <> wrote:
> Do you know how much the non-English MLs are used? Why not start with Engish
> only?

Does it matter?  The English list is getting very little traffic. A
note was sent today asking about interest.  I've seen zero affirmative
responses.  So I don't think any of the lists will get much traffic.
But it makes sense to JFDI and move on to more important things.

> BTW:
> Where do you see 30 moderators for the forums?

Three per forum.  We don't want a single person to be a bottleneck for
moderation.  Otherwise, if you are busy, or traveling or on vacation,
messages and other moderator requests get backed up.  So ideally we
want three moderators per list, in different time zones if possible.

> Marcus
> Am 08/23/2011 10:49 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Marcus (OOo)<>
>>  wrote:
>>> I can understand Rob's arguement that we have to split ourself to give
>>> support for mailing list(s) and forum in parallel. However, I believe
>>> that
>>> it would be an advantage when the normal, average user has a choice where
>>> to
>>> go to get an answer.
>> So let's be clear on what we're proposing.  In order to give the users
>> more flexibility, so they don't need to choose between a list or a
>> forum, so they can just continue to do exactly what they do today,
>> with no change, we will create, moderate and maintain 10 new mailings
>> lists, as well as the associated archives:
>> ooo-users-en.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-es.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-hu.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-it.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-ja.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-nl.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-pl.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-vi.i.a.o
>> ooo-users-zh.i.a.o
>> Is that that idea?  If so could we get names for 30 moderators,
>> please, 3 per forum?  .
>> -Rob
>>> Marcus
>>> Am 08/23/2011 09:50 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
>>>> +1
>>>> There is no one-size fits all here.  We should have the list and the
>>>> forum. They are not redundant.  Some people will use both.
>>>>  - Dennis
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Marcus (OOo) []
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 07:05
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: [Was: Re: [Discussion]
>>>> Am 08/23/2011 03:29 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>> On Tuesday, 2011-08-23 11:11:35 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
>>>>>> And very often they write to the list but aren't subscribed. So they
>>>>>> don't get the answer unless someone is CC'ing them.
>>>>> That actually is a failure of how the list is setup when it has
>>>>> Reply-To
>>>>> pointing to the mailing list address (AKA Reply-To mangling). Without
>>>>> Reply-To a Reply-All goes to the sender and the mailing list.
>>>> Maybe, but they are still not subscribed. So the moderator has to let
>>>> the posts through; again and again until the user is subscribed.
>>>>>> In a forum all in one place. You can search, write and can get
>>>>>> answers. It's up to us if a subscription is needed. It would work
>>>>>> without.
>>>>>> Furthermore, I don't think that mailing lists are common for the
>>>>>> average user. But forums are.
>>>>> Mailing lists are much more accepted by those who actually help because
>>>>> handling is much easier than any web forum. You can setup your own
>>>>> scoring, flags, delete unimportant stuff in your personal archive and
>>>>> so
>>>>> on. To get the best of both worlds best would be a forum gated to
>>>>> a mailing list and vice versa. Searching the mailing list would also
>>>>> possible at, or gmane..
>>>> Not before they got to know how this is working. In a forum it is
>>>> obvious. All is in one place.
>>>>>>> What if we just had support forums, but no users list?  Would
we miss
>>>>>>> anything?  Would users?  Note that phpBB forums allow a person
>>>>>>> subscribe to a forum or a topic, so those who want to receive
>>>>>>> can.  But they would need to go back to the forum website to
>>>>> And that just sucks.
>>>>>> I don't think that we or the users would miss anything because there
>>>>>> is no chance to miss something as the communitation method is not
>>>>>> existing.
>>>>> Well, I try to avoid forums whenever possible.
>>>> And there are users that try to avoid mailing lists. ;-)
>>>> At the end it seems the best solution is still to go 2 ways: ML and
>>>> forum.
>>>> Marcus

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