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From Kay Schenk <>
Subject Re: [Discussion]
Date Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:10:40 GMT

On 08/21/2011 03:28 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
> I've updated the text on ""
> (with borrowed text from Mathias).
> Marcus

That should help a bit I think! :)
> Am 08/19/2011 07:57 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo):
>> Am 08/19/2011 07:29 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Marcus (OOo)<>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Am 08/19/2011 06:34 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> So why wouldn't we want to shut down that list?
>>>> Why are you asking when you want to do it anyway? ;-)
>>> Clearly I have my own opinion on this. But I'd like to understand the
>>> counter-argument, if there is one.
>> OK, didn't knew this.
>>>>> Real posts at are infrequent and are not getting
>>>>> responded to. But ooo-dev is clearly where the thriving dev
>>>>> discussion is occurring.
>>>>> Aren't these good reasons to consolidate the dev discussion in one
>>>>> place? Is there any advantage to have it be fragmented across two
>>>>> lists, especially if one list is mainly getting spam?
>>>> If so, it would be the same reason to shutdown also other mailing
>>>> lists. So,
>>>> we could do it will all.
>>> I think the dev list is special, because we have an active Apache list
>>> that has the identical purpose. The same is not true for many other
>>> lists.
>> There is nothing special. For OOo we had hundreds of ML to keep the
>> traffic in the right channels.
>> Her at AOO we have only one. So all traffic (and it's more than just dev
>> related) into 1 ML.
>> For me there is no real difference.
>>>> As Mathias said, the shutdown will happen anyway. No need to force it.
>>> We are currently missing opportunities when new volunteers post to the
>>> other list and do not get a response. Also, existing subscribers to
>>> the list are missing out on the discussions we are
>>> having regarding things like reorganizing the source repository, etc.
>>> The goal should be to encourage existing subscribers to move over to
>> You have told this already. Then just write a note to dev@ooo; if
>> Mathias hasn't done it already. ;-)
>>> ooo-dev. There are several ways of doing this. An announcement, like
>>> Matthias sent, is a good thing. Maybe also update this page:
>>> For lists that have been migrated, put instructions there on how to
>>> subscribe to the Apache list.
>> Good point, let me see if I can do something. But to have a real success
>> we need to make this change everywhere. And IMHO this is not possible;
>> or at least it's a not maintainable effort.
>>> If we delay shutting down the list until a later point, that is fine
>>> with me. I just wanted to see if anyone thought there was a reason to
>>> preserve the list longer-term.
>> OK
>> Marcus


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