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Subject: RE: Q: Notices in Code - Answered and Thanks Y'All
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:29:35 -0700
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I'm not going to dig up the relevant texts.  Here's a recap:

1. I noticed that you put Apache notices in each and every text file you =
have committed to the ooo SVN.

2. I asked if that was a requirement or simply your personal practice?  =
I must not have asked it very well.  Here is the very top of my message:

"Simple version of the question: Is your putting notices on everything
your personal practice or is it a requirement that this be done with all
textual artifacts where notices are possible?"

3. Rob (not you) answered my message by pointing out where the =
instructions for use of the Apache License by Apache authors were.

4. On Rob's reply, below Rob's link to those instructions, you added =
in-line,
"Right. Whenever possible."

5. I took that as my answer.   And somewhere on this thread I thought =
I'd said as much.

6. I posted the little ditty about getting answers to questions not =
asked because the thread kept accumulating more advice after my question =
was already answered to my satisfaction.  There was nothing wrong with =
the answers.  They just weren't responsive to my question.  (And I was a =
little put out that the responders thought I didn't know that already.  =
I took that as a reflection on the poor quality of my question as well, =
that it was taken as ignorance that I do not possess. I have other =
ignorance, but not that.)

The oddness about the place of your response for me was because you put =
it below Rob's response and not directly after my question, so I had to =
interpolate. =20

I have a good-enough answer.  If that is still obtuse for you, let's =
just forget the whole thing, OK?

 - Dennis

PS: I just added Copyright and Apache License notices everywhere I could =
in the SVN of my project, just the way you do in .txt files, .sh (or =
.bat in my case), etc.  I did it while downloading a new version of some =
software that takes over 6 GB total.  Now I think I'll start reading =
Jack McDevitt's "Echo" while I am waiting for more of the download set =
to complete.

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 21:56
To: dennis.hamilton@acm.org
Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Q: Notices in Code - Answered and Thanks Y'All

Geezus. You are continuing to be obtuse. I have *no* idea what you're =
talking about.

On Jul 29, 2011 9:21 AM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <dennis.hamilton@acm.org> =
wrote:
> Greg, your short reply was completely sufficient.
>=20
> It was all I needed and it answered the question that I asked.=20
>=20
> It was a little odd that you answered it where you did, but I got the =
answer.
>=20
> The question was about a practice that I observed you following, not =
about ALv2 nor the difference between work contributed to Apache and =
when contributing work to a non-Apache project under an ALv2 license. =
The gist of my note is about the apparent social dynamics of answers to =
unasked questions. I've been noticing how often that happens on other =
dev lists I follow and I was amused that it happened here with a =
question I asked.
>=20
> - Dennis
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@gmail.com]=20
> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 02:36
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Q: Notices in Code - Answered and Thanks Y'All
>=20
> It seems there is some kind of subtext here, but it is so obtuse that =
I have
> no idea what is going on.
>=20
> So: was my short reply useful, or not?
>=20
> And note that my reply was also given as an augment to Rob's link to =
source
> header application.
>=20
> Dennis: be clear; *what* are you trying to say? I cannot read *any* =
takeaway
> from below.
>=20
> -g
> On Jul 28, 2011 7:44 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" =
<dennis.hamilton@acm.org>
> wrote:
>> There's a story, perhaps apocryphal (i.e., like the bicycle shed =
story),
> about Tom Watson approaching a Sr.VP for Human Resources in a hallway =
and
> asking how college students get summer jobs at IBM. The Sr.VP said =
he'd get
> back to him.
>>
>> I will say no more. You might imagine how this went South when the =
only
> thing Watson wanted to know was to what to tell a neighbor whose son =
wanted
> to apply for one of those jobs. The more experience you have in =
corporate
> life (and on some developer lists), you can imagine where this might =
have
> ended up instead. (Serious analysis and study, crash project, charts,
> slides, big conference room presentation, etc.)
>>
>> However, Greg answered my question in his first reply on this thread:
>>
>> "Right. Whenever possible."
>>
>> It is useful to learn about RAT and the committers tools, although it
> doesn't apply to my situation. My question was not about how to make =
the
> notice, it was about how Greg seemed to stamp it onto every textual =
artifact
> he committed to SVN.
>>
>> Two lessons:
>> 1. I need to be careful about answering the (actual) question being =
asked.
>> 2. When I ask questions, I need to be very clear what the question is =
(and
> still risking that won't be the question answered).
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shane Curcuru [mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 19:19
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Q: Notices in Code
>>
>> Apache RAT is in the incubator, and some projects use it to do source
>> code license checking and the like:
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/rat/
>>
>> Note that the committers repository has two directories with other, =
much
>> simpler (but possibly useful) tools about checking or changing =
licenses
>> or other standard chunks of text in masses of source code:
>>
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers
>>
>> /relicense
>> and
>> /tools
>>
>> - Shane
>>
>=20