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From Wolf Halton <>
Subject Re: RE: [DISCUSS] <Initial Committer>: Apache Initial Committer Status
Date Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:31:53 GMT
What is the technical or social stressor causing this issue to be framed in
this time-sensitive language?

On Jul 22, 2011 4:40 PM, "Dennis E. Hamilton" <>
> I did not include a time limit, because we had not agreed on one. Instead,
I made the request to indicate whether they intended to submit an iCLA and
how much time they would need (for whatever review reasons or other
determinations involved).
> These Initial Committers were already sent a bulk e-mail on June 23.
> Why would we not expect the Initial Committers who signed up by June 10 to
report whether they intend to actually become committers? It is about their
commitment, it seems to me. And they always have the opportunity to become
committers by showing up and contributing, the same as for anyone who is not
an Initial Committer.
> My thought was to wait 15-30 days after we approach all of them
individually and then send a follow-up to ones who have not responded at all
indicating that the invitation to become committers and PPMC members is
being withdrawn. (Assuming we decide to do that and set such a date.)
> I would make the changes that Stephen Bergmann recommended.
> More feedback and discussion, please.
> - Dennis
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Juan C. Sanz []
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:28
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] <Initial Committer>: Apache Initial
Committer Status
> El 22/07/2011 5:10, Dennis E. Hamilton escribió:
>> There are 20 Initial Committers on the incubator proposal
who have not yet submitted iCLAs or informed us of their intention not to do
>> Today I used the following format for a message to one of those Initial
>> Before 19 more of these are sent out I wanted to check how understandable
this is.
>> I am particularly concerned for how clear this is for those who are not
native English speakers.
>> I welcome your advice.
>> - Dennis
>> *** specimen message ***
>> From:<PPMC member>
>> Sent:<today>
>> To:<Initial Committer lacking iCLA so far>
>> Cc:
>> Subject:<Initial Committer Name>: Apache Initial Committer
>> Hello<Initial Committer Name>,
>> You are listed as an Initial Committer on the proposal for the Apache incubator project.
>> The incubator project was accepted by Apache on 2011-06-13.
>> As an Initial Committer you are invited to be established as a committer
on the Apache incubator podling. You are also invited to
serve on the Podling Project Management Committee after you are established
as a committer.
>> The prerequisite to becoming established as a committer is to register an
iCLA agreement with Apache.
>> Our records indicate that no iCLA has been received from you.
>> If you do not choose to submit an iCLA, please report your decision to<>. We will then know not wait for it.
>> If you are submitting an iCLA, please report your decision to and indicate how much time you need before
the iCLA will be sent to Apache.
>> For more information and iCLA/CCLA forms, go to<>. Complete instructions for submission
of an iCLA is at the top of the form (text or PDF).
>> We welcome your contribution to the Apache incubator
>> - the Apache incubator Podling Project Management
Committee (PPMC)
>> *** end of specimen message ***
> I think it's understundandable. But, what is the next step? how long do
> we wait for the user id?
> Regards.
> Juan C. Sanz

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