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Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:56:40 +0100
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Subject: Re: User facing web items
From: Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
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On 18 June 2011 19:49, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Project websites are a form of official documentation.
>
> We want, but do not require, website content to be Apache
> licensed. =A0We do however require that all website content
> be backed by an iCLA.
>
> None of that has anything to do with typical communication
> channels like public mailing lists and public forums. =A0Noone
> can possibily claim that their participation on either was based
> on the premise that their posts would be kept off the web, unless
> some idiotic ToS somehow made them think that.
>
> I prefer we simply respect that such postings remain
> in posession of their respective authors, that our
> license to said works is limited to performing the
> basic essentials of maintaining their public availability,
> and if we'd like to republish their words in a different context,
> like on a project website or in end-user documentation, that we
> simply ask for the necessary permission to do so by seeking an iCLA.

OK, Joe seems very confident in his position on this and my reading of
the Terms on the user forums means we can proceed with under these
conditions as long as the specifics of those terms are adhered to
(which means firstly ensuring that any copyright headers placed by
contributors are respected and secondly ensuring no content is under a
different licence).

That just leaves the technical issues and we have volunteers stepping
up for that :-)

Ross

Ross


>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 2:35:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: User facing web items
>>
>> On 18 June 2011 19:14, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> =A0wrote:
>> > Ah, we don't need a license on forum content in order
>> > to =A0host the forums at Apache. =A0People who post to the forums
>> > are implicitly =A0granting the right of publication thru
>> > the website, similar to people =A0who post to the mailing
>> > lists grant the right to republication in web =A0archives.
>> > It's part of the nature of the service, and doesn't =A0need
>> > to be spelled out in an agreement.
>>
>> Isn't that dependent on =A0the terms of use of the specific site.
>>
>> Even if this is not the case I'm a =A0little confused by this assertion.
>> We don't allow projects to use, for =A0example, an open wiki to produce
>> an apache.org hosted website. They contributors to the =A0site content
>> must have signed a CLA. Am I reading too much into that rule and =A0thus
>> your statement below is actually the important factor?
>>
>> > The =A0only concern would be if we were trying to take forum
>> > content and =A0redistribute it as OOo documentation. =A0There
>> > we'd need an explicit =A0license from the copyright author
>> > in the form of an =A0ICLA.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----
>> >> =A0From: drew <drew@baseanswers.com>
>> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> >> =A0Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 2:07:31 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: User facing web =A0items
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 10:48 -0700, Dave Fisher =A0wrote:
>> >> > Hi Drew,
>> >> >
>> >> > Ross reminds =A0me to be very careful about content licenses.
>> >> >
>> >> > =A0Would you please confirm that the license for all contributions =
to the
>> these
>> >>Forums is here - http://openoffice.org/terms_of_use =A0?
>> >> >
>> >> > If =A0not, then where? Thanks!
>> >> =A0>
>> >>
>> >> I think that is about as close to a =A0formal license =A0as we ever h=
ad - but
>> >> I'll double check and let you know =A0 ASAP.
>> >>
>> >> =A0//drew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
>> Programme =A0Leader (Open Development)
>> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>>
>


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Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com