Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23B6361E7 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 48294 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jun 2011 16:24:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-ooo-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48260 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jun 2011 16:24:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact ooo-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48252 invoked by uid 99); 18 Jun 2011 16:24:39 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:24:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of apache@robweir.com designates 69.89.22.20 as permitted sender) Received: from [69.89.22.20] (HELO oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com) (69.89.22.20) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:24:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 17476 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jun 2011 16:24:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host181.hostmonster.com) (74.220.207.181) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2011 16:24:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=robweir.com; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type:X-Identified-User; b=gbiloTdDWsWwpfBW6GCQIx6GsltbW13c6f0ur9FHLQhvLzfo7E22G73vJMQH/rgNL3vd6B1mloKBokPQs1+phB2mr1DpTN8BhH3QgEyNzzkkArv+7FEgkHIx1tvzLZTF; Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com ([209.85.214.175]) by host181.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXyJd-00010g-1X for ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:24:09 -0600 Received: by iwn19 with SMTP id 19so3000216iwn.6 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:24:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.243.2 with SMTP id lk2mr3679692icb.8.1308414248185; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.228.3 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:24:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3186F75B-0F96-4A0A-94F1-04648B435EA5@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:24:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Some of our contributors" page From: Rob Weir To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba3fd26f7b6e0004a5feee45 X-Identified-User: {1114:host181.hostmonster.com:robweirh:robweir.com} {sentby:smtp auth 209.85.214.175 authed with apache@robweir.com} X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --90e6ba3fd26f7b6e0004a5feee45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > To answer Rob's question: it is an issue for each project to decide. > > Apache Subversion doesn't have a "people" page. We consider it a team > thing, rather than about individuals. People get their recognition via > commit logs :-P ... Is the project about doing great work, or about > getting your name in lights? > > Cheers, > -g > The interesting thing to me is this study: I-H. Hann et al., =E2=80=9CEconomic Returns to Open Source Participation:A = Panel Data Analysis,=E2=80=9D unpublished working paper, Univ. of Southern Califo= rnia; http://opim.wharton.upenn.edu/wise2004/sun412.pdf This study looked at Apache specifically, at the motivations of contributors, and noted that one motivation for contributing to a project was the signaling value to current and future employers. "Our analysis shows that employers do not reward the accumulation of experience in open source projects per se. Rather, successful open source participation, measured as higher open source rank, is associated with higher wages, even after controlling for work and programming experience". I don't see any essential conflict between working as a team effort while also allowing contributors signal their contributions. If we do this right= , the interests of the project and of the individual are aligned. I see this as an essential part of recruiting non-sponsored contributors, of growing the project and its community. Maybe the most sensible thing is to list all committers? -Rob --90e6ba3fd26f7b6e0004a5feee45--