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Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 16:44:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa?
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Let me alleviate your concerns with two proposals:

1) invite so-and-so to join the now-already-existing community
as a new participant, without any special initial privileges,
but being mindful of past efforts in the community as their
participation level increases.

2) invite so-and-so to join the fledgling community as a committer/PPMC
member, without first demonstrating any particular work towards the
project's brand new goals.

I shouldn't have to tell you which of those 2 I'd rather see at
this point, and yes it's an either-or question, not a let's do
both one.


----- Original Message ----
> From: Rob Weir <apache@robweir.com>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 7:26:59 PM
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice project interest in South Africa?
> 
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> > Less democracy, more meritocracy at this point please.  It's  now
> > almost 1 month since the proposal hit general@incubator, and  as
> > Danese suggested, it's time to let go of the idea that  getting
> > diverse representation from key geographical locations is  going
> > to lead to a more productive working group at the  ASF.
> >
> 
> Joe, there is nothing that says we cannot value  both.
> 
> How long since the *proposal* was submitted to the general list  is
> irrelevant.  The actual project has been here for two  weeks.
> 
> >
> > There is a lot to do here, and all I see is very  sketchy starts
> > at getting any of it done.  If leaders are to be born  here we need
> > them to step up and start tackling this massive set of  problems
> > a little bit at a time.
> >
> 
> True, and we are making  progress.  This is occurring on many other
> threads.  But this is  irrelevant to the question I was asking.
> Remember, we need to think ahead a  few steps.  For every person
> writing core code, we will need multiple  people testing, documenting,
> translating, porting, supporting, and yes, using  the product.  These
> are all part of the Apache OpenOffice  project.
> 
> As we move forward with the core coding tasks, I feel no reason  to
> apologize for continuing the community development.  In fact I  hope
> this project never ever reaches the point where it believes  that
> reaching out for more members is a bad thing, and that  additional
> offers of help is anything but a blessing.
> 
> > I'm not  saying not to go out and invite more people to the project.
> > I am saying  be careful how you do it because the community is watching
> > for  favoritism or any other unfair methods of advancement.
> 
> Could you explain  *your* concern with regards to "favoritism" or
> "unfair methods of  advancement"?  Vague insinuations, hiding behind
> "the community is  watching" does not sit well with me.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> >
> >
> >  ----- Original Message ----
> >> From: Donald Harbison <dpharbison@gmail.com>
> >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >>  Sent: Wed, June 29, 2011 6:58:35 PM
> >> Subject: Re: OpenOffice project  interest in South Africa?
> >>
> >> Let's ask Aslam Raffee. He  used to be on the OASIS ODF Adoption TC.
> >>
> >> On  Jun 29,  2011 5:58 PM, "Marcus (OOo)" <marcus.mail@wtnet.de>  wrote:
> >> >  Am 06/29/2011 11:08 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> >>  >> Just noticed that we had  project members from North America,  South
> >> >> America, Europe, Asia and  Australia. So 5 of 7  continents.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have doubts that  we'll  get anyone from Antarctica.
> >> >
> >> > Come on, don't  exclude them  before they had a chance to spoke up via
> >> > their  connection by bell wire.  :-P
> >> >
> >> >> But I  thought there was strong interest in OpenOffice in  South Africa,
> >>  >> especially with their many official languages. Does  anyone have  any
> >> >> contacts there? We should reach out and make sure  that  they are
> >> >> included in our community.
> >>  >
> >> > The offical  contact for en-ZA is "Dwayne Bailey". At  least he is still
> >> > listed  here:
> >> >
> >>  >  http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
> >>  >
> >> > Furthermore,  we had contact to Friedel Wolff from "translate.org.za"  
who
> >> > has helped us  to setup a new pootle server for our  "Continuous L10N
> >> > Integration"  project:
> >>  >
> >> >   http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NewPootleServer
> >>  >
> >> > Maybe  it's worth to restart the contacts.
> >>  >
> >> > Marcus
> >>
> >
>