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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Request for permission to use the OOo Trademark (was: Teams and Leads)
Date Tue, 28 Jun 2011 01:30:21 GMT
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> Just in case other folks missed the tie-in between the different threads:
>  branding and trademark policy for all Apache projects is handled on the
> privately archived mailing list. Apache policy is set
> by the VP, Brand Management and the associated officer's committee, and
> implementation of the policy details is left up to each project's (P)PMC.
> Sam pointed to the main trademark policy document below; at some point once
> this project has more of the website migrated to Apache infrastructure,
> folks will want to review the Apache Project Branding Requirements for
> things that need to be on the project website.
> So the decision on licensing Apache marks for things like certification is
> made between the VP, Brand Management and the project's (P)PMC.  Note that
> we have specific policies for domains and events, and I believe the ASF will
> need to further codify and document policies for services and third party
> certifications in the future.
> Note also that Oracle's intent is indeed to assign all OOo related
> trademarks to the ASF, although the legal paperwork is not yet complete.
>  Thus, we can't actually license any uses of the OOo marks quite yet.  8-)

OK.  Thanks for the background info, Shane.   Will the PPMC be
notified when the trademark transfer has been completed, so we can
further discuss Ian's request?


> - Shane
> On 6/16/2011 8:48 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> Reposting with a new subject line, and copying the appropriate
>> trademark's mailing list.
>> The relevant policy can be found here:
>> - Sam Ruby
>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Ian Lynch<>  wrote:
>>> On 16 June 2011 12:00, Sam Ruby<>  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:47 AM, IngridvdM<>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I am really in favor of going without anyone being named leader or
>>>> manager
>>>>> or any name that could create the impression that this person has more
>>>>> rights than the others. Maybe we can choose 'contact' as a neutral
>>>>> description in case something turns out to be needed? Or is there even
>>>>> a
>>>>> more neutral word?
>>>> The only 'contact' that people need for this project is
>>>> If this list grows too large or too busy, then we can create
>>>> additional 'contacts' in the form of more mailing lists.
>>> OK, sounds sensible to try using what already exists until there is a
>>> good
>>> reason not too :-)
>>> Let me test the system ;-)
>>> Alexandro Colorado and myself (both been involved with the OOo community
>>> for
>>> years) have been negotiating with a large training company to provide a
>>> community backed certification for OOo but with a vector to potentially
>>> 1500
>>> centres. I previously sought and was granted permission by Oracle to use
>>> the
>>> OOo branding on certificates. I guess we need community consensus here
>>> now,
>>> to carry on with that. There is quite a long history to all this and I
>>> declare a financial interest. I set up a UK government accredited
>>> awarding
>>> organisation (The Learning Machine Ltd) to enable a mechanism for funding
>>> FOSS and CC education development that was independent of licensing ie
>>> the
>>> business model is QA so no problem licensing any supporting stuff freely.
>>> To get started required investment so the only way to do that was to set
>>> up
>>> a for profit and sell shares. That together with EU grants has put well
>>> over
>>> £1m of investment into this. We have had some successes such as schools
>>> that
>>> started using our generic certification with MS products that have now
>>> switched to OOo. I can get the FOSS voice heard in influential government
>>> places. The strategy is in general to be product neutral but to use FOSS
>>> for
>>> all exemplars and supporting materials. This gives us a channel to get
>>> closed source users at least in contact with FOSS so there is a clear
>>> marketing strategy. With OOo certification we can say eg the WP
>>> certificate
>>> was achieved in the context of OOo Writer and put an OOo logo on the
>>> certificate. The assessment criteria are generic so we could do the same
>>> with LibO, Koffice etc. or indeed any FOSS software project, Inkscape,
>>> Gimp,
>>> Audacity etc. WE could even do professional Apache qualifications if
>>> there
>>> was a demand. Once we work out delivery costs (Its variable and depends
>>> on
>>> volume) we give a kick back to community funds in return for using the
>>> branding. We have the infrastructure in place using a LAMP stack for
>>> assessment and certification and Drupal for community support with
>>> dynamic
>>> links between the 2. Portal is at The acronym INGOT is
>>> International Grades - Open Technologies.
>>> We are accredited by Ofqual the UK national exam regulators and endorsed
>>> by
>>> the UK Sector Skills Council for Business and IT. All our qualifications
>>> are
>>> referenced to the European Qualifications Framework. We have 2 EU
>>> Transfer
>>> of innovation projects and we are monitored by all these so the community
>>> can have some confidence that we "know what we are doing". My background
>>> is
>>> that I was a UK School Inspection Team leader and assessor of the
>>> National
>>> Professional Qualification for Headteachers.
>>> So what I'm asking for is permission to use the OOo Trademark and general
>>> community support.
>>> Trying to keep this reasonably short so please feel free to ask any
>>> questions.
>>> --
>>> Ian
>>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>>> +44 (0)1827 305940
>>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
>>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
>>> Wales.

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