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From: Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:41:37 +0400
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Subject: Re: Commit messages from GPL project on ASF list
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I read Jim's concern below Sebastian's letter:


2013/3/21 Jim Jagielski <jim@apache.org>

> IMO, it's inappropriate content for a dev@ list,
> a place to *discuss* development, not an "archive" for
> external development, legal issues notwithstanding.
--
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http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
> @Alexei I'm afraid you are talking to wider list ....
> Could you please clarify what "As for Jim's concern"?
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com=
>wrote:
>
>> As for Jim's concern, I think commits can be redirected to commits@ list=
.
>> --
>> With best regards / =D1=81 =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B8=D0=BB=D1=83=D1=87=D1=88=D0=
=B8=D0=BC=D0=B8 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BB=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=8F=D0=
=BC=D0=B8,
>> Alexei Fedotov / =D0=90=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=81=D0=B5=D0=B9 =D0=A4=D0=B5=
=D0=B4=D0=BE=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B2,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There is a flag in the mail notification to turn of diff's in those
>> emails.
>> > So theoretically those emails don't have to include not even code
>> fragments
>> > of GPL licensed code.
>> > So those emails could become what they initially should have been: Som=
e
>> > simple notification of activity.
>> >
>> > We are actually also not interested in what exactly has changed or
>> > archiving external activities.
>> > If anybody is interested in those projects he can catch up with those
>> > involved there.
>> >
>> > All we are interested is a "heads up" there is something going on as w=
e
>> > provide integration APIs that 3th parties are using.
>> >
>> > There are also a number of more 3th party projects that send those pin=
gs.
>> > Basically all projects hosted at apache-extras.org are configured to
>> send a
>> > ping to our list when there was a SVN commit.
>> > http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/search?q=3Dopenmeet=
ings
>> >
>> > It is argueable if an Apache developer list is the right place to have
>> such
>> > a "news aggregator" for activities around OpenMeetings.
>> > There might be easy ways to resolve such a conflict. Possibly for
>> example a
>> > Google Group Mailing list. "openmeetings-apache-extras" or something l=
ike
>> > that. It does in fact not make a difference, just another mailing list=
 to
>> > monitor :)
>> > It is just a bit an imaginary line that we draw here from my point of
>> view.
>> >
>> > Sebastian
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/3/21 Jim Jagielski <jim@apache.org>
>> >
>> >> IMO, it's inappropriate content for a dev@ list, which is
>> >> a place to *discuss* development, not an "archive" for
>> >> external development, legal issues notwithstanding.
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I would be uncomfortable as well. If project members want to follow
>> >> external projects that's great, but duplicating all of an external
>> >> project's messages onto the public dev@ list is... not a best practic=
e,
>> >> to say the least.
>> >> >
>> >> > Personally, I'd have to presume (for the average user) that everyth=
ing
>> >> coming from that other GPL licensed project is GPL.  Thus, this seems=
 to
>> >> violate the principle of least surprise and the fact that GPL is
>> Category
>> >> X, which means that end users should be able to use Apache projects a=
nd
>> >> products without having to worry that GPL code is included - either i=
n
>> the
>> >> download, or in other places on our websites or mailing lists.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Shane
>> >> >
>> >> > On 3/19/2013 6:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> >> >> It's come to my attention that the openmeetings project has recent=
ly
>> >> >> subscribed their dev list to the commit messages of a Google Code
>> hosted
>> >> >> project under the GPL. I asked why and was told " those updates ar=
e
>> >> >> interesting for our integration API." There is some overlap in
>> >> >> committers but the project communities do seem to be distinct othe=
r
>> than
>> >> >> this cross-posting of commits.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm quite uncomfortable about this as it means that GPL code is
>> passing
>> >> >> through our lists (and being archived) without any clear indicatio=
n
>> of
>> >> >> its legal status. What I'm not sure about is whether my discomfort=
 is
>> >> >> because of an irrational fear of someone inadvertently using GPL c=
ode
>> >> >> without knowing it or whether that is, in fact, a rational fear.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Advice please?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ross
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax