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From Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedo...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Commit messages from GPL project on ASF list
Date Fri, 22 Mar 2013 07:02:45 GMT
Denis can create any nice looking groups @dataved.ru, e.g.
red5sip@dataved.ru. This is free and robust because this is Google
Apps account.

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On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:31 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
<seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/apache-openmeetings-extras
>
> Group mail address would be:
> apache-openmeetings-extras@googlegroups.com<openmeetings-apache-extras@googlegroups.com>
> ... yeah but you got it already  :)
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/3/22 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com>
>
>> great :)
>> can you create one?
>> And we will use it's email in all "extra projects"
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 1:17 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > just create a Google Group for example?
>> > Anybody interested in those emails can subscribe to it.
>> >
>> > Sebastian
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/3/22 Maxim Solodovnik <solomax666@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > > Maybe anybody knows how to create group email alias for free?
>> > > something like: dev-om-apache-extras@whatever.com?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Maxim Solodovnik <
>> solomax666@gmail.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I have updated all apache-extras projects (replace dev@ with my
>> email
>> > or
>> > > > Sebastian's email)
>> > > > except for  (no adminitration rights)
>> > > >
>> > https://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/openmeetings-atutor-plugin
>> > > > https://code.google.com/p/red5phone/
>> > > >
>> > > > @Sebastian can you update these two?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:13 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
>> > > > seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> The OpenMeetings PMC agrees on  disabling those notifications.
>> > > >> Anybody interested in those emails can subscribe to it on its
own.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Sebastian
>> > > >> Am 22.03.2013 05:34 schrieb "Luciano Resende" <luckbr1975@gmail.com
>> >:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 3:00 AM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > > >> > <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > > There is a flag in the mail notification to turn of
diff's in
>> > those
>> > > >> > emails.
>> > > >> > > So theoretically those emails don't have to include
not even
>> code
>> > > >> > fragments
>> > > >> > > of GPL licensed code.
>> > > >> > > So those emails could become what they initially should
have
>> been:
>> > > >> Some
>> > > >> > > simple notification of activity.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > We are actually also not interested in what exactly
has changed
>> or
>> > > >> > archiving
>> > > >> > > external activities.
>> > > >> > > If anybody is interested in those projects he can catch
up with
>> > > those
>> > > >> > > involved there.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > All we are interested is a "heads up" there is something
going
>> on
>> > as
>> > > >> we
>> > > >> > > provide integration APIs that 3th parties are using.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > There are also a number of more 3th party projects that
send
>> those
>> > > >> pings.
>> > > >> > > Basically all projects hosted at apache-extras.org are
>> configured
>> > > to
>> > > >> > send a
>> > > >> > > ping to our list when there was a SVN commit.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/hosting/search?q=openmeetings
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > It is argueable if an Apache developer list is the right
place
>> to
>> > > have
>> > > >> > such
>> > > >> > > a "news aggregator" for activities around OpenMeetings.
>> > > >> > > There might be easy ways to resolve such a conflict.
Possibly
>> for
>> > > >> > example a
>> > > >> > > Google Group Mailing list. "openmeetings-apache-extras"
or
>> > something
>> > > >> like
>> > > >> > > that. It does in fact not make a difference, just another
>> mailing
>> > > >> list to
>> > > >> > > monitor :)
>> > > >> > > It is just a bit an imaginary line that we draw here
from my
>> point
>> > > of
>> > > >> > view.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Sebastian
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > 2013/3/21 Jim Jagielski <jim@apache.org>
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> IMO, it's inappropriate content for a dev@ list,
which is
>> > > >> > >> a place to *discuss* development, not an "archive"
for
>> > > >> > >> external development, legal issues notwithstanding.
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Shane Curcuru <
>> asf@shanecurcuru.org
>> > >
>> > > >> > wrote:
>> > > >> > >>
>> > > >> > >> > I would be uncomfortable as well. If project
members want to
>> > > follow
>> > > >> > >> > external projects that's great, but duplicating
all of an
>> > > external
>> > > >> > project's
>> > > >> > >> > messages onto the public dev@ list is... not
a best
>> practice,
>> > to
>> > > >> say
>> > > >> > the
>> > > >> > >> > least.
>> > > >> > >> >
>> > > >> > >> > Personally, I'd have to presume (for the average
user) that
>> > > >> everything
>> > > >> > >> > coming from that other GPL licensed project
is GPL.  Thus,
>> this
>> > > >> seems
>> > > >> > to
>> > > >> > >> > violate the principle of least surprise and
the fact that GPL
>> > is
>> > > >> > Category X,
>> > > >> > >> > which means that end users should be able to
use Apache
>> > projects
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> > >> > products without having to worry that GPL code
is included -
>> > > either
>> > > >> > in the
>> > > >> > >> > download, or in other places on our websites
or mailing
>> lists.
>> > > >> > >> >
>> > > >> > >> > - Shane
>> > > >> > >> >
>> > > >> > >> > On 3/19/2013 6:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> > > >> > >> >> It's come to my attention that the openmeetings
project has
>> > > >> recently
>> > > >> > >> >> subscribed their dev list to the commit
messages of a Google
>> > > Code
>> > > >> > >> >> hosted
>> > > >> > >> >> project under the GPL. I asked why and
was told " those
>> > updates
>> > > >> are
>> > > >> > >> >> interesting for our integration API." There
is some overlap
>> in
>> > > >> > >> >> committers but the project communities
do seem to be
>> distinct
>> > > >> other
>> > > >> > >> >> than
>> > > >> > >> >> this cross-posting of commits.
>> > > >> > >> >>
>> > > >> > >> >> I'm quite uncomfortable about this as it
means that GPL code
>> > is
>> > > >> > passing
>> > > >> > >> >> through our lists (and being archived)
without any clear
>> > > >> indication
>> > > >> > of
>> > > >> > >> >> its legal status. What I'm not sure about
is whether my
>> > > >> discomfort is
>> > > >> > >> >> because of an irrational fear of someone
inadvertently using
>> > GPL
>> > > >> code
>> > > >> > >> >> without knowing it or whether that is,
in fact, a rational
>> > fear.
>> > > >> > >> >>
>> > > >> > >> >> Advice please?
>> > > >> > >> >>
>> > > >> > >> >> Ross
>> > > >> > >> >>
>> > > >> > >> >>
>> > > >> > >> >> --
>> > > >> > >> >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> > > >> > >> >> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> > > >> > >> >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>> > > >> > >> >>
>> > > >> > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > We have had a similar discussion in the ComDev related to
Apache
>> > > >> > Extras [1], and the consensus at that time was that external
>> > projects,
>> > > >> > particular the ones that are not compatible with AL2, should
be
>> > > >> > managed separately, which means that we should not encourage
PMCs
>> to
>> > > >> > have their official mailing lists receiving e-mails from
other
>> > > >> > non-Apache GPL projects. If individuals are interested on
what's
>> > going
>> > > >> > on with external projects, they should subscribe to these
projects
>> > > >> > mailing list as an individual.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201209.mbox/%3CCALvzYd-h4Q%3DcTEgGqCNEEninhVose8uiGt2gTK22n9cMr_kVyg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > --
>> > > >> > Luciano Resende
>> > > >> > http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>> > > >> > http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>> > > >> > http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >
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>> > > >> >
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > WBR
>> > > > Maxim aka solomax
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > WBR
>> > > Maxim aka solomax
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

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