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Subject: Re: [GSoC 2012] Send your proposals to Google
From: German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
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I have sent my one.

German

2012/4/3 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>:
> Guys,
> make sure your proposals are here:
>
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012
>
> Only few days remaining
>
> --
> With best regards / =D3 =CE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=CD=C9 =D0=CF=D6=C5=CC=C1=
=CE=C9=D1=CD=C9,
> Alexei Fedotov / =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E6=C5=C4=CF=D4=CF=D7,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> 2012/4/3 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>:
>> My edited proposal is here now:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GermanGrekhov/ProposalGSoC2012
>>
>> 3 =C1=D0=D2=C5=CC=D1 2012=9A=C7. 9:13 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=
=D8 German Grekhov
>> <german.grekhov@gmail.com> =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
>>> Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?
>>>
>>> 1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
>>> 2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???
>>>
>>> German.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 =C1=D0=D2=C5=CC=D1 2012=9A=C7. 23:54 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=
=CC=D8 seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
>>>> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
>>>>
>>>> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
>>>>
>>>> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover Lette=
r,
>>>> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project Ide=
as
>>>> Page.
>>>>
>>>> Proposal should include:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The title of the project
>>>>
>>>> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a projec=
t.
>>>>
>>>> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project pe=
riod.
>>>>
>>>> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
>>>>
>>>> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
>>>>
>>>> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other m=
edia
>>>> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is n=
o
>>>> longer than two pages in length.
>>>> Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> You should
>>>>> 02.04.2012 18:29 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=CC=D8 "German Grekhov=
" <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>>>>> =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
>>>>>
>>>>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor=
?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2 =C1=D0=D2=C5=CC=D1 2012 =C7. 18:16 =D0=CF=CC=D8=DA=CF=D7=C1=D4=C5=
=CC=D8 seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > <seba.wagner@gmail.com> =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC:
>>>>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do y=
ou
>>>>> need
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > > request it on code-awards?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Sebastian
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
>>>>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed project=
s.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> --
>>>>> > >> With best regards / =D3 =CE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=CD=C9 =D0=CF=D6=
=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1=CD=C9,
>>>>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E6=C5=C4=CF=D4=CF=D7,
>>>>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>:
>>>>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >> Guys,
>>>>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Ap=
ache
>>>>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> --
>>>>> > >> >> With best regards / =D3 =CE=C1=C9=CC=D5=DE=DB=C9=CD=C9 =D0=CF=
=D6=C5=CC=C1=CE=C9=D1=CD=C9,
>>>>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / =E1=CC=C5=CB=D3=C5=CA =E6=C5=C4=CF=D4=CF=D7,
>>>>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user wit=
h a
>>>>> wide
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone =
to the
>>>>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed =
for a
>>>>> > user
>>>>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importa=
nce of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > >> >> > task?*
>>>>> > >> >> > =3D> No, curently we can't deliver different stream based o=
n user
>>>>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
>>>>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice a=
nd
>>>>> > >> important
>>>>> > >> >> to
>>>>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different q=
uality
>>>>> > >> modes
>>>>> > >> >> and
>>>>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some poin=
t it
>>>>> > will
>>>>> > >> >> require
>>>>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server si=
de et
>>>>> > >> cetera.
>>>>> > >> >> So
>>>>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to =
you to
>>>>> > >> decide
>>>>> > >> >> if
>>>>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GS=
oC or
>>>>> > just
>>>>> > >> a
>>>>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>>>>> > >> >> > =3D> Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if y=
ou want
>>>>> to
>>>>> > >> just
>>>>> > >> >> do
>>>>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details ab=
out it
>>>>> > so
>>>>> > >> that
>>>>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it ta=
kes 4
>>>>> > >> months
>>>>> > >> >> to
>>>>> > >> >> > implement it.
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So =
your
>>>>> > >> Proposal
>>>>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
>>>>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>>>>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool wou=
ld
>>>>> have
>>>>> > 5
>>>>> > >> >> > indicators:
>>>>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload spee=
d
>>>>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing =
the
>>>>> > upload
>>>>> > >> >> speed.
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>>>>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application=
 that
>>>>> > pops
>>>>> > >> up
>>>>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can
>>>>> record
>>>>> > 5
>>>>> > >> >> seconds
>>>>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his prof=
ile.
>>>>> > >> >> > =3D> You should add a small mockup what of what it should l=
ook like
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>>>>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that vi=
deo
>>>>> > stream
>>>>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about y=
our
>>>>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
>>>>> > >> conferencing is
>>>>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>>>>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
>>>>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>>>>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those ev=
ents
>>>>> and
>>>>> > >> >> >> > features
>>>>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
>>>>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user wit=
h a
>>>>> wide
>>>>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone=
 to
>>>>> the
>>>>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed=
 for a
>>>>> > user
>>>>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the import=
ance
>>>>> of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > >> >> >> task?
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an in=
itial
>>>>> > load
>>>>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
>>>>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks i=
f you
>>>>> > have
>>>>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports=
 and
>>>>> > >> measures
>>>>> > >> >> >> > your
>>>>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be
>>>>> > implemented
>>>>> > >> as
>>>>> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even ou=
tside
>>>>> of
>>>>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GS=
oC or
>>>>> > just
>>>>> > >> a
>>>>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal =
should
>>>>> > be
>>>>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with t=
his
>>>>> > choice.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> German.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you a=
re
>>>>> going
>>>>> > >> to do
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> and
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For e=
xample
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > >> UI
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mac=
kup
>>>>> that
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> describes
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust=
 the
>>>>> > >> >> bandwidth.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> To
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change
>>>>> somebodys
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different =
video
>>>>> > >> >> settings.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> =9AThe
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on
>>>>> > bandwidth.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> However
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is=
 no
>>>>> > >> option...
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> the
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download=
 rate
>>>>> of
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you wan=
t to
>>>>> > change
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turn=
ing
>>>>> > on/off
>>>>> > >> >> video
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> as
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each
>>>>> > participant.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencin=
g is
>>>>> > also
>>>>> > >> not
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> that
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while
>>>>> > conferencing
>>>>> > >> as
>>>>> > >> >> the
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example =
audio
>>>>> > will
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools =
and
>>>>> > methods
>>>>> > >> >> are
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> you
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Su=
mmer
>>>>> of
>>>>> > >> code
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ=
_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> --
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>>>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> > --
>>>>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>>>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > --
>>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>>>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > --
>>>>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>> http://www.openmeetings.de
>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com