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From German Grekhov <german.grek...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [GSoC 2012] Send your proposals to Google
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:21:11 GMT
I have sent my one.

German

2012/4/3 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>:
> Guys,
> make sure your proposals are here:
>
> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012
>
> Only few days remaining
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> 2012/4/3 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>:
>> My edited proposal is here now:
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GermanGrekhov/ProposalGSoC2012
>>
>> 3 апреля 2012 г. 9:13 пользователь German Grekhov
>> <german.grekhov@gmail.com> написал:
>>> Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?
>>>
>>> 1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
>>> 2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???
>>>
>>> German.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2 апреля 2012 г. 23:54 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
>>>> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
>>>>
>>>> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
>>>>
>>>> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover Letter,
>>>> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project Ideas
>>>> Page.
>>>>
>>>> Proposal should include:
>>>>
>>>> 1. The title of the project
>>>>
>>>> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a project.
>>>>
>>>> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project period.
>>>>
>>>> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
>>>>
>>>> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
>>>>
>>>> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other media
>>>> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is no
>>>> longer than two pages in length.
>>>> Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> You should
>>>>> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>>>>> написал:
>>>>>
>>>>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
>>>>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website?
Do you
>>>>> need
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > > request it on code-awards?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Sebastian
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
>>>>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed
projects.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> --
>>>>> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>:
>>>>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >> Guys,
>>>>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the project
wiki (or Apache
>>>>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to
miss melange.
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> --
>>>>> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream
from a user with a
>>>>> wide
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then
when it has gone to the
>>>>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream
could be changed for a
>>>>> > user
>>>>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think
about the importance of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > >> >> > task?*
>>>>> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different
stream based on user
>>>>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires
to modify Red5.
>>>>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure
it would be nice and
>>>>> > >> important
>>>>> > >> >> to
>>>>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream
in different quality
>>>>> > >> modes
>>>>> > >> >> and
>>>>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash.
At some point it
>>>>> > will
>>>>> > >> >> require
>>>>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream
on server side et
>>>>> > >> cetera.
>>>>> > >> >> So
>>>>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However
it is up to you to
>>>>> > >> decide
>>>>> > >> >> if
>>>>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the
task for whole GSoC or
>>>>> > just
>>>>> > >> a
>>>>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could
make it.*
>>>>> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task
grow, however if you want
>>>>> to
>>>>> > >> just
>>>>> > >> >> do
>>>>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much
more details about it
>>>>> > so
>>>>> > >> that
>>>>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in
it so that it takes 4
>>>>> > >> months
>>>>> > >> >> to
>>>>> > >> >> > implement it.
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work
with the UI. So your
>>>>> > >> Proposal
>>>>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
>>>>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>>>>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool,
so that tool would
>>>>> have
>>>>> > 5
>>>>> > >> >> > indicators:
>>>>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download
Speed, Upload speed
>>>>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet
for testing the
>>>>> > upload
>>>>> > >> >> speed.
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>>>>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing
Application that
>>>>> > pops
>>>>> > >> up
>>>>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference room,
That way he can
>>>>> record
>>>>> > 5
>>>>> > >> >> seconds
>>>>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings
to his profile.
>>>>> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup what
of what it should look like
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>>>>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do
here
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have
understood that video
>>>>> > stream
>>>>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful
feature. So, about your
>>>>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring
bandwidth while
>>>>> > >> conferencing is
>>>>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>>>>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that,
your task will be:
>>>>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available
in Red5
>>>>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can
realise using those events
>>>>> and
>>>>> > >> >> >> > features
>>>>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
>>>>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream
from a user with a
>>>>> wide
>>>>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but
then when it has gone to
>>>>> the
>>>>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream
could be changed for a
>>>>> > user
>>>>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think
about the importance
>>>>> of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > >> >> >> task?
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would
be to implement an initial
>>>>> > load
>>>>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
>>>>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to
SpeedTest) that checks if you
>>>>> > have
>>>>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can
connect to needed ports and
>>>>> > >> measures
>>>>> > >> >> >> > your
>>>>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection
tool" would be
>>>>> > implemented
>>>>> > >> as
>>>>> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you would
do that test even outside
>>>>> of
>>>>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it
the task for whole GSoC or
>>>>> > just
>>>>> > >> a
>>>>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I
could make it.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time
because the proposal should
>>>>> > be
>>>>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I
need harry up with this
>>>>> > choice.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> German.
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit
more detailed what you are
>>>>> going
>>>>> > >> to do
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> and
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will
be exactly using? For example
>>>>> > for
>>>>> > >> UI
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you
might include a small mackup
>>>>> that
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> describes
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth
detection / adjustment:
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process
you imagine to adjust the
>>>>> > >> >> bandwidth.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> To
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one
thing, however to change
>>>>> somebodys
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish
his stream with different video
>>>>> > >> >> settings.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>  The
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the video
has the biggest impact on
>>>>> > bandwidth.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> However
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height
"auto-magically" is no
>>>>> > >> option...
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> the
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also
cannot change the download rate
>>>>> of
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload
bandwidth. If you want to
>>>>> > change
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the
only option you got is turning
>>>>> > on/off
>>>>> > >> >> video
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> as
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams
available for each
>>>>> > participant.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while
you are doing conferencing is
>>>>> > also
>>>>> > >> not
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> that
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load
test permanently while
>>>>> > conferencing
>>>>> > >> as
>>>>> > >> >> the
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the
conference (for example audio
>>>>> > will
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have
you in mind ? What tools and
>>>>> > methods
>>>>> > >> >> are
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> you
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want
to take a part in Google Summer
>>>>> of
>>>>> > >> code
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and read
my proposal here:
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right
of commenting this document.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> --
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>>>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> > --
>>>>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>>>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> >
>>>>> > >> >> > --
>>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>>>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >> >>
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> >
>>>>> > >> > --
>>>>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > --
>>>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>>>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
>>>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sebastian Wagner
>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>>>> http://www.openmeetings.de
>>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com

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