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From German Grekhov <german.grek...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2012 02:13:52 GMT
Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?

1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???

German.


2 апреля 2012 г. 23:54 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
<seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
>
> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
>
> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover Letter,
> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project Ideas
> Page.
>
> Proposal should include:
>
> 1. The title of the project
>
> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a project.
>
> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project period.
>
> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
>
> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
>
> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other media
> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is no
> longer than two pages in length.
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>
>> You should
>> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>> написал:
>>
>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my mentor?
>> >
>> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you
>> need
>> > to
>> > > request it on code-awards?
>> > >
>> > > Sebastian
>> > >
>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>> > >>
>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>:
>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> Guys,
>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or
Apache
>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> --
>> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user
with a
>> wide
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has
gone to the
>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed
for a
>> > user
>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance
of
>> > the
>> > >> >> > task?*
>> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream
based on user
>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify
Red5.
>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be
nice and
>> > >> important
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different
quality
>> > >> modes
>> > >> >> and
>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some
point it
>> > will
>> > >> >> require
>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server
side et
>> > >> cetera.
>> > >> >> So
>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is
up to you to
>> > >> decide
>> > >> >> if
>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole
GSoC or
>> > just
>> > >> a
>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
>> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however
if you want
>> to
>> > >> just
>> > >> >> do
>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details
about it
>> > so
>> > >> that
>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that
it takes 4
>> > >> months
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >> > implement it.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI.
So your
>> > >> Proposal
>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool
would
>> have
>> > 5
>> > >> >> > indicators:
>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload
speed
>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing
the
>> > upload
>> > >> >> speed.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application
that
>> > pops
>> > >> up
>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way
he can
>> record
>> > 5
>> > >> >> seconds
>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his
profile.
>> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should
look like
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Sebastian
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood
that video
>> > stream
>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So,
about your
>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth
while
>> > >> conferencing is
>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task
will be:
>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using
those events
>> and
>> > >> >> >> > features
>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a
user with a
>> wide
>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it
has gone to
>> the
>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be
changed for a
>> > user
>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the
importance
>> of
>> > the
>> > >> >> >> task?
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement
an initial
>> > load
>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that
checks if you
>> > have
>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to
needed ports and
>> > >> measures
>> > >> >> >> > your
>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool"
would be
>> > implemented
>> > >> as
>> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that
test even outside
>> of
>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for
whole GSoC or
>> > just
>> > >> a
>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the
proposal should
>> > be
>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry
up with this
>> > choice.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> German.
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed
what you are
>> going
>> > >> to do
>> > >> >> >> >> and
>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly
using? For example
>> > for
>> > >> UI
>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include
a small mackup
>> that
>> > >> >> >> >> describes
>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection
/ adjustment:
>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine
to adjust the
>> > >> >> bandwidth.
>> > >> >> >> >> To
>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however
to change
>> somebodys
>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream
with different video
>> > >> >> settings.
>> > >> >> >> >>  The
>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest
impact on
>> > bandwidth.
>> > >> >> >> >> However
>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically"
is no
>> > >> option...
>> > >> >> >> >> the
>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change
the download rate
>> of
>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth.
If you want to
>> > change
>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option
you got is turning
>> > on/off
>> > >> >> video
>> > >> >> >> >> as
>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available
for each
>> > participant.
>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing
conferencing is
>> > also
>> > >> not
>> > >> >> >> >> that
>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently
while
>> > conferencing
>> > >> as
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference
(for example audio
>> > will
>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind
? What tools and
>> > methods
>> > >> >> are
>> > >> >> >> >> you
>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a
part in Google Summer
>> of
>> > >> code
>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal
here:
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting
this document.
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >> --
>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > --
>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > --
>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> > >
>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

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