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From German Grekhov <german.grek...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [GSoC 2012] Send your proposals to Google
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:46:48 GMT
Yes, I have mixed up the organization first time.
Here is the proposal for Apache:
http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2012/ggrekhov/1001

3 апреля 2012 г. 14:44 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
<seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
> I have see one, but that was ifor the org "IDI".
> Are you sure that you did submit it correctly to Apache Foundation as Org ?
>
> Sebastian
>
> 2012/4/3 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>
>> I have sent my one.
>>
>> German
>>
>> 2012/4/3 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>:
>> > Guys,
>> > make sure your proposals are here:
>> >
>> > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012
>> >
>> > Only few days remaining
>> >
>> > --
>> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> > http://dataved.ru/
>> > +7 916 562 8095
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2012/4/3 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>:
>> >> My edited proposal is here now:
>> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GermanGrekhov/ProposalGSoC2012
>> >>
>> >> 3 апреля 2012 г. 9:13 пользователь German Grekhov
>> >> <german.grekhov@gmail.com> написал:
>> >>> Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
>> >>> 2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???
>> >>>
>> >>> German.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2 апреля 2012 г. 23:54 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
>> >>>> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover
>> Letter,
>> >>>> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project
>> Ideas
>> >>>> Page.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Proposal should include:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1. The title of the project
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a
>> project.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project
>> period.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other
>> media
>> >>>> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal
is
>> no
>> >>>> longer than two pages in length.
>> >>>> Sebastian
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> You should
>> >>>>> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <
>> german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> написал:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I
or my
>> mentor?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь
seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> > <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
>> >>>>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange
website? Do
>> you
>> >>>>> need
>> >>>>> > to
>> >>>>> > > request it on code-awards?
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Sebastian
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
>> >>>>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among
listed
>> projects.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> --
>> >>>>> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>>>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>>>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >>>>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>:
>> >>>>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to
melange?
>> >>>>> > >> >
>> >>>>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> Guys,
>> >>>>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on
the project wiki (or
>> Apache
>> >>>>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important
not to miss melange.
>> >>>>> > >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> --
>> >>>>> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими
пожеланиями,
>> >>>>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>>>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >>>>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>>>> > >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> > >> >> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload
stream from a user
>> with a
>> >>>>> wide
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality,
but then when it has gone
>> to the
>> >>>>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download
stream could be changed
>> for a
>> >>>>> > user
>> >>>>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do
you think about the
>> importance of
>> >>>>> > the
>> >>>>> > >> >> > task?*
>> >>>>> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver
different stream based on
>> user
>> >>>>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task
requires to modify Red5.
>> >>>>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well
sure it would be nice
>> and
>> >>>>> > >> important
>> >>>>> > >> >> to
>> >>>>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch
a stream in different
>> quality
>> >>>>> > >> modes
>> >>>>> > >> >> and
>> >>>>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead
of flash. At some
>> point it
>> >>>>> > will
>> >>>>> > >> >> require
>> >>>>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode
the stream on server
>> side et
>> >>>>> > >> cetera.
>> >>>>> > >> >> So
>> >>>>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project.
However it is up to
>> you to
>> >>>>> > >> decide
>> >>>>> > >> >> if
>> >>>>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task?
Is it the task for whole
>> GSoC or
>> >>>>> > just
>> >>>>> > >> a
>> >>>>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC,
I could make it.*
>> >>>>> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make
this task grow, however if
>> you want
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> > >> just
>> >>>>> > >> >> do
>> >>>>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to
give much more details
>> about it
>> >>>>> > so
>> >>>>> > >> that
>> >>>>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved
in it so that it
>> takes 4
>> >>>>> > >> months
>> >>>>> > >> >> to
>> >>>>> > >> >> > implement it.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want
to work with the UI. So
>> your
>> >>>>> > >> Proposal
>> >>>>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
>> >>>>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
>> >>>>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such
a tool, so that tool
>> would
>> >>>>> have
>> >>>>> > 5
>> >>>>> > >> >> > indicators:
>> >>>>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time,
Download Speed, Upload
>> speed
>> >>>>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server
side servlet for testing
>> the
>> >>>>> > upload
>> >>>>> > >> >> speed.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user
profile
>> >>>>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings
in the Testing
>> Application that
>> >>>>> > pops
>> >>>>> > >> up
>> >>>>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference
room, That way he can
>> >>>>> record
>> >>>>> > 5
>> >>>>> > >> >> seconds
>> >>>>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store
the settings to his
>> profile.
>> >>>>> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup
what of what it should
>> look like
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
>> >>>>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want
to do here
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer.
Ok, I have understood that
>> video
>> >>>>> > stream
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is
unuseful feature. So, about
>> your
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream
and measuring bandwidth while
>> >>>>> > >> conferencing is
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server
feature...
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to
work on that, your task will be:
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events
are available in Red5
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios
we can realise using those
>> events
>> >>>>> and
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > features
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that
upload stream from a user
>> with a
>> >>>>> wide
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality,
but then when it has
>> gone to
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download
stream could be
>> changed for a
>> >>>>> > user
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What
do you think about the
>> importance
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> > the
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> task?
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated
thing would be to implement an
>> initial
>> >>>>> > load
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable
to SpeedTest) that checks
>> if you
>> >>>>> > have
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload
rate, can connect to needed
>> ports and
>> >>>>> > >> measures
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > your
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth
detection tool" would be
>> >>>>> > implemented
>> >>>>> > >> as
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > standalong application
as you would do that test even
>> outside
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task?
Is it the task for whole
>> GSoC or
>> >>>>> > just
>> >>>>> > >> a
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole
GSoC, I could make it.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much
time because the proposal
>> should
>> >>>>> > be
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April,
so I need harry up with
>> this
>> >>>>> > choice.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> German.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com
<seba.wagner@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain
a bit more detailed what you
>> are
>> >>>>> going
>> >>>>> > >> to do
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> and
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods
you will be exactly using? For
>> example
>> >>>>> > for
>> >>>>> > >> UI
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common
that you might include a small
>> mackup
>> >>>>> that
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> describes
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic
bandwidth detection / adjustment:
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know
what process you imagine to
>> adjust the
>> >>>>> > >> >> bandwidth.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> To
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth
is one thing, however to change
>> >>>>> somebodys
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish
his stream with different
>> video
>> >>>>> > >> >> settings.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>  The
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of
the video has the biggest impact on
>> >>>>> > bandwidth.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> However
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video
pod width/height "auto-magically"
>> is no
>> >>>>> > >> option...
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> the
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection
also cannot change the
>> download rate
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence
the upload bandwidth. If you
>> want to
>> >>>>> > change
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download
rate the only option you got is
>> turning
>> >>>>> > on/off
>> >>>>> > >> >> video
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> as
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different
streams available for each
>> >>>>> > participant.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth
while you are doing
>> conferencing is
>> >>>>> > also
>> >>>>> > >> not
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> that
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly
do load test permanently while
>> >>>>> > conferencing
>> >>>>> > >> as
>> >>>>> > >> >> the
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will
affect the conference (for example
>> audio
>> >>>>> > will
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly
have you in mind ? What tools
>> and
>> >>>>> > methods
>> >>>>> > >> >> are
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> you
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov
<german.grekhov@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov.
I want to take a part in Google
>> Summer
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>> > >> code
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings
project.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find
and read my proposal here:
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> > >> >>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the
right of commenting this document.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> --
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de
<
>> >>>>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > --
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
<
>> >>>>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>>>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >> > --
>> >>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>>>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>>>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> >>>>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>>>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>>>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> > >> >>
>> >>>>> > >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >
>> >>>>> > >> >
>> >>>>> > >> > --
>> >>>>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>>>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>>>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
>> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>>>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>>>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > --
>> >>>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>>>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> >>>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>>>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Sebastian Wagner
>> >>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
>> >>>> http://www.openmeetings.de
>> >>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.openmeetings.de
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com

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