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From "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <seba.wag...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [GSoC 2012] Send your proposals to Google
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2012 07:44:09 GMT
I have see one, but that was ifor the org "IDI".
Are you sure that you did submit it correctly to Apache Foundation as Org ?

Sebastian

2012/4/3 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>

> I have sent my one.
>
> German
>
> 2012/4/3 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>:
> > Guys,
> > make sure your proposals are here:
> >
> > http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012
> >
> > Only few days remaining
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> >
> >
> > 2012/4/3 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>:
> >> My edited proposal is here now:
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GermanGrekhov/ProposalGSoC2012
> >>
> >> 3 апреля 2012 г. 9:13 пользователь German Grekhov
> >> <german.grekhov@gmail.com> написал:
> >>> Ok, I will do that. But where should I submit them?
> >>>
> >>> 1) Proposal: wiki and melange.
> >>> 2) Resume, Cover Letter: ???
> >>>
> >>> German.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2 апреля 2012 г. 23:54 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
> >>>> Yeah you have to submit it, mentors will then rate it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I copy here the requirements publiched by IDI for GSoC:
> >>>>
> >>>> Students applying to work with [ORG] must submit a Resume, Cover
> Letter,
> >>>> and a one or two page project proposal as described on the Project
> Ideas
> >>>> Page.
> >>>>
> >>>> Proposal should include:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. The title of the project
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. A summary of the research done to become familiarized with a
> project.
> >>>>
> >>>> 3. A list of distinct tasks that will be completed over the project
> period.
> >>>>
> >>>> 4. A timeline listing when key deliverables will be completed
> >>>>
> >>>> 5. Links to resources that will be utilized for the project.
> >>>>
> >>>> Applicants may also choose to include mockups, wireframes, and other
> media
> >>>> elements to enhance their proposals. Please be sure your proposal is
> no
> >>>> longer than two pages in length.
> >>>> Sebastian
> >>>>
> >>>> 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> You should
> >>>>> 02.04.2012 18:29 пользователь "German Grekhov" <
> german.grekhov@gmail.com>
> >>>>> написал:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > What is melange? Who should post the proposal there: I or my
> mentor?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > 2 апреля 2012 г. 18:16 пользователь seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> > <seba.wagner@gmail.com> написал:
> >>>>> > > How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website?
Do
> you
> >>>>> need
> >>>>> > to
> >>>>> > > request it on code-awards?
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Sebastian
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >> Yes I do have the access,
> >>>>> > >> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among
listed
> projects.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> --
> >>>>> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>>> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>>> > >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>>> > >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>:
> >>>>> > >> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> Guys,
> >>>>> > >> >> proposals should be published both on the
project wiki (or
> Apache
> >>>>> > >> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not
to miss melange.
> >>>>> > >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> --
> >>>>> > >> >> With best regards / с наилучшими
пожеланиями,
> >>>>> > >> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>>> > >> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>>> > >> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>> > >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> > >> >> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > >> >> > *Have I understood right that upload
stream from a user
> with a
> >>>>> wide
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > connection is with high quality, but
then when it has gone
> to the
> >>>>> > >> >> > server the quality of the download stream
could be changed
> for a
> >>>>> > user
> >>>>> > >> >> > with narrow connection? What do you
think about the
> importance of
> >>>>> > the
> >>>>> > >> >> > task?*
> >>>>> > >> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver
different stream based on
> user
> >>>>> > >> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires
to modify Red5.
> >>>>> > >> >> > Importance of that feature ... well
sure it would be nice
> and
> >>>>> > >> important
> >>>>> > >> >> to
> >>>>> > >> >> > be able to have the option to watch
a stream in different
> quality
> >>>>> > >> modes
> >>>>> > >> >> and
> >>>>> > >> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead
of flash. At some
> point it
> >>>>> > will
> >>>>> > >> >> require
> >>>>> > >> >> > you to think about how to transcode
the stream on server
> side et
> >>>>> > >> cetera.
> >>>>> > >> >> So
> >>>>> > >> >> > it is basically a server side project.
However it is up to
> you to
> >>>>> > >> decide
> >>>>> > >> >> if
> >>>>> > >> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it
the task for whole
> GSoC or
> >>>>> > just
> >>>>> > >> a
> >>>>> > >> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I
could make it.*
> >>>>> > >> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this
task grow, however if
> you want
> >>>>> to
> >>>>> > >> just
> >>>>> > >> >> do
> >>>>> > >> >> > this single tool you will have to give
much more details
> about it
> >>>>> > so
> >>>>> > >> that
> >>>>> > >> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved
in it so that it
> takes 4
> >>>>> > >> months
> >>>>> > >> >> to
> >>>>> > >> >> > implement it.
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > As far is I do understand you want to
work with the UI. So
> your
> >>>>> > >> Proposal
> >>>>> > >> >> > could cover those tasks:
> >>>>> > >> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> >>>>> > >> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a
tool, so that tool
> would
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> > 5
> >>>>> > >> >> > indicators:
> >>>>> > >> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download
Speed, Upload
> speed
> >>>>> > >> >> > You would need to create a server side
servlet for testing
> the
> >>>>> > upload
> >>>>> > >> >> speed.
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user
profile
> >>>>> > >> >> > User could adjust those settings in
the Testing
> Application that
> >>>>> > pops
> >>>>> > >> up
> >>>>> > >> >> > before he enters the video conference
room, That way he can
> >>>>> record
> >>>>> > 5
> >>>>> > >> >> seconds
> >>>>> > >> >> > and test on its own and then store the
settings to his
> profile.
> >>>>> > >> >> > => You should add a small mockup
what of what it should
> look like
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
> >>>>> > >> >> > I did not understand what you want to
do here
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> Sebastian,
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok,
I have understood that
> video
> >>>>> > stream
> >>>>> > >> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful
feature. So, about
> your
> >>>>> > >> >> >> suggestions...
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and
measuring bandwidth while
> >>>>> > >> conferencing is
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > basically a streaming server
feature...
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > So if you are going to work
on that, your task will be:
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > - analysing which events are
available in Red5
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > - defining which scenarios
we can realise using those
> events
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > features
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > in Red5
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> Have I understood right that upload
stream from a user
> with a
> >>>>> wide
> >>>>> > >> >> >> connection is with high quality,
but then when it has
> gone to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> > >> >> >> server the quality of the download
stream could be
> changed for a
> >>>>> > user
> >>>>> > >> >> >> with narrow connection? What do
you think about the
> importance
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> > the
> >>>>> > >> >> >> task?
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > A completely separated thing
would be to implement an
> initial
> >>>>> > load
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > Tester:
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable
to SpeedTest) that checks
> if you
> >>>>> > have
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate,
can connect to needed
> ports and
> >>>>> > >> measures
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > your
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth
detection tool" would be
> >>>>> > implemented
> >>>>> > >> as
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > standalong application as you
would do that test even
> outside
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is
it the task for whole
> GSoC or
> >>>>> > just
> >>>>> > >> a
> >>>>> > >> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC,
I could make it.
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much
time because the proposal
> should
> >>>>> > be
> >>>>> > >> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April,
so I need harry up with
> this
> >>>>> > choice.
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> German.
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com
<seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Hi German,
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Could you please explain
a bit more detailed what you
> are
> >>>>> going
> >>>>> > >> to do
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> and
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> what tools and methods
you will be exactly using? For
> example
> >>>>> > for
> >>>>> > >> UI
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> changes it is common that
you might include a small
> mackup
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> describes
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> the changes.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth
detection / adjustment:
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> I would like to know what
process you imagine to
> adjust the
> >>>>> > >> >> bandwidth.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> To
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is
one thing, however to change
> >>>>> somebodys
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish
his stream with different
> video
> >>>>> > >> >> settings.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>  The
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> width and height of the
video has the biggest impact on
> >>>>> > bandwidth.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> However
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> changing the video pod
width/height "auto-magically"
> is no
> >>>>> > >> option...
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> the
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection
also cannot change the
> download rate
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> anybody,
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> you can only influence
the upload bandwidth. If you
> want to
> >>>>> > change
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> somebodys download rate
the only option you got is
> turning
> >>>>> > on/off
> >>>>> > >> >> video
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> as
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> we don't provide different
streams available for each
> >>>>> > participant.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth
while you are doing
> conferencing is
> >>>>> > also
> >>>>> > >> not
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> that
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do
load test permanently while
> >>>>> > conferencing
> >>>>> > >> as
> >>>>> > >> >> the
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect
the conference (for example
> audio
> >>>>> > will
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> stutter
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> et cetera).
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly
have you in mind ? What tools
> and
> >>>>> > methods
> >>>>> > >> >> are
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> you
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> going to use ?
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Thanks!
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov
<german.grekhov@gmail.com>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Hello.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov.
I want to take a part in Google
> Summer
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> > >> code
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings
project.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> You could find and
read my proposal here:
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> > >> >>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right
of commenting this document.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> Best regards,
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> --
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de
<
> >>>>> > >> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > --
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
<
> >>>>> > >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>>>> > >> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> >
> >>>>> > >> >> > --
> >>>>> > >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>>>> > >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>>>> > >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>>>> > >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>>>> > >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>>>> > >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> > >> >>
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> >
> >>>>> > >> > --
> >>>>> > >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >>>>> > >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>>>> > >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
> >>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>>>> > >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>>>> > >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > --
> >>>>> > > Sebastian Wagner
> >>>>> > > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>>>> > > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>>>> > > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>>>> > > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>>>> > > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Sebastian Wagner
> >>>> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >>>> http://www.openmeetings.de
> >>>> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >>>> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >>>> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.openmeetings.de
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http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
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