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From "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <seba.wag...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [GSoC 2012] German Grekhov proposal
Date Mon, 02 Apr 2012 11:16:04 GMT
How did you get the mentoring access to the melange website? Do you need to
request it on code-awards?

Sebastian

2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>

> Yes I do have the access,
> and I cannot see German and Dmitry projects among listed projects.
>
> BTW, were there any other applicants on the list?
>
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
>
> 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>:
> > @Alexei: Do you have a mentoring access to melange?
> >
> > 2012/4/2 Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
> >
> >> Guys,
> >> proposals should be published both on the project wiki (or Apache
> >> wiki) and at melange, that's important not to miss melange.
> >>
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:35 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> <seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > *Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> >
> >> > connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> > server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> >> > with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> >> > task?*
> >> > => No, curently we can't deliver different stream based on user
> >> > configuration. Basically this task requires to modify Red5.
> >> > Importance of that feature ... well sure it would be nice and
> important
> >> to
> >> > be able to have the option to watch a stream in different quality
> modes
> >> and
> >> > eventually in HTTP streaming instead of flash. At some point it will
> >> require
> >> > you to think about how to transcode the stream on server side et
> cetera.
> >> So
> >> > it is basically a server side project. However it is up to you to
> decide
> >> if
> >> > you want to apply for such a project.
> >> >
> >> > *How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just
> a
> >> > part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.*
> >> > => Hm yes sure we could make this task grow, however if you want to
> just
> >> do
> >> > this single tool you will have to give much more details about it so
> that
> >> > 3th parties understand what is involved in it so that it takes 4
> months
> >> to
> >> > implement it.
> >> >
> >> > As far is I do understand you want to work with the UI. So your
> Proposal
> >> > could cover those tasks:
> >> > 1) Bandwidth / Network testing tool,
> >> > attached is a screenshot from such a tool, so that tool would have 5
> >> > indicators:
> >> > Ports, Connection, Repeat time, Download Speed, Upload speed
> >> > You would need to create a server side servlet for testing the upload
> >> speed.
> >> >
> >> > 2) Add audio/video settings to user profile
> >> > User could adjust those settings in the Testing Application that pops
> up
> >> > before he enters the video conference room, That way he can record 5
> >> seconds
> >> > and test on its own and then store the settings to his profile.
> >> > => You should add a small mockup what of what it should look like
> >> >
> >> > 3) Improve the video pods
> >> > I did not understand what you want to do here
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sebastian
> >> >
> >> > 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sebastian,
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks for your fast answer. Ok, I have understood that video stream
> >> >> resolution auto-adjusting is unuseful feature. So, about your
> >> >> suggestions...
> >> >>
> >> >> > Adjustment of the stream and measuring bandwidth while
> conferencing is
> >> >> > basically a streaming server feature...
> >> >> > So if you are going to work on that, your task will be:
> >> >> > - analysing which events are available in Red5
> >> >> > - defining which scenarios we can realise using those events and
> >> >> > features
> >> >> > in Red5
> >> >> > - implementing such scenarios
> >> >>
> >> >> Have I understood right that upload stream from a user with a wide
> >> >> connection is with high quality, but then when it has gone to the
> >> >> server the quality of the download stream could be changed for a user
> >> >> with narrow connection? What do you think about the importance of the
> >> >> task?
> >> >>
> >> >> > A completely separated thing would be to implement an initial
load
> >> >> > Tester:
> >> >> > A separated tool (comparable to SpeedTest) that checks if you
have
> >> >> > sufficient down/upload rate, can connect to needed ports and
> measures
> >> >> > your
> >> >> > ping time. Such a "bandwidth detection tool" would be implemented
> as
> >> >> > standalong application as you would do that test even outside
of
> >> >> > OpenMeetings.
> >> >>
> >> >> How do you estimate this task? Is it the task for whole GSoC or just
> a
> >> >> part? If it is for the whole GSoC, I could make it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately, we have not much time because the proposal should be
> >> >> uploaded until the 6th of April, so I need harry up with this choice.
> >> >>
> >> >> German.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > 2012/4/2 seba.wagner@gmail.com <seba.wagner@gmail.com>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hi German,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> thanks for the proposal!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Could you please explain a bit more detailed what you are
going
> to do
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> what tools and methods you will be exactly using? For example
for
> UI
> >> >> >> changes it is common that you might include a small mackup
that
> >> >> >> describes
> >> >> >> the changes.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> About the automatic bandwidth detection / adjustment:
> >> >> >> I would like to know what process you imagine to adjust the
> >> bandwidth.
> >> >> >> To
> >> >> >> detect the bandwidth is one thing, however to change somebodys
> >> >> >> bandwidth
> >> >> >> you would need to re-publish his stream with different video
> >> settings.
> >> >> >>  The
> >> >> >> width and height of the video has the biggest impact on bandwidth.
> >> >> >> However
> >> >> >> changing the video pod width/height "auto-magically" is no
> option...
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> user chooses that value.
> >> >> >> The bandwidth detection also cannot change the download rate
of
> >> >> >> anybody,
> >> >> >> you can only influence the upload bandwidth. If you want to
change
> >> >> >> somebodys download rate the only option you got is turning
on/off
> >> video
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> we don't provide different streams available for each participant.
> >> >> >> Measuring the bandwidth while you are doing conferencing is
also
> not
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> easy, you can hardly do load test permanently while conferencing
> as
> >> the
> >> >> >> bandwidth test will affect the conference (for example audio
will
> >> >> >> stutter
> >> >> >> et cetera).
> >> >> >> So I wonder what exactly have you in mind ? What tools and
methods
> >> are
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> going to use ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks!
> >> >> >> Sebastian
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> 2012/4/2 German Grekhov <german.grekhov@gmail.com>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Hello.
> >> >> >>> I'm German Grekhov. I want to take a part in Google Summer
of
> code
> >> >> >>> with the OpenMeetings project.
> >> >> >>> You could find and read my proposal here:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k0d70n0i-54pnsUgm7FycnHLI6v9yNSdZ_Md4iPDeFA/edit
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Everybody has the right of commenting this document.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Best regards,
> >> >> >>> German Grekhov.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> >> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> >> http://www.openmeetings.de <
> >> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> >> >> >> http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> >> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> >> seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de <
> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
> >> >
> >> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sebastian Wagner
> >> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.openmeetings.de <http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/>
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



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Sebastian Wagner
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