Mailing-List: contact dev-help@openjpa.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: dev@openjpa.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of michael.d.dick@gmail.com
 designates 209.85.221.187 as permitted sender)
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
        d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=mime-version:sender:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date
         :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type;
        b=jy8SrzgmOf99KH8Dz3t610vpMmeZoI7zzwG4szSuZhkNvMUUaofreY0N9jr5l8QCMA
         IO3ocrzPAO8EXoGiETbrbeJDbWsbAND34FmPW1WwnoSeW+j5S169wnVlV0q16mBBgss8
         Eg48BGCIcytTditI93fLNWuP1LllUJcTMBRio=
MIME-Version: 1.0
Sender: michael.d.dick@gmail.com
Reply-To: mikedd@apache.org
In-Reply-To: <v2n8e68c8e91004090956ndc7c41c3w14e1d9e0287953e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2t72c1350f1004090905k902cab7ci9a51c311a13a40fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2h8e68c8e91004090913oe0c29792p382784c45139ae2d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1270830371201-4878105.post@n2.nabble.com>
 <m2k72c1350f1004090943h1bca2230scbbf0da96f1bcbe2@mail.gmail.com>
	<v2n8e68c8e91004090956ndc7c41c3w14e1d9e0287953e0@mail.gmail.com>
From: Michael Dick <mikedd@apache.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 13:39:44 -0500
Message-ID: <s2p72c1350f1004091139s2e0dd03eu57c8b983de87e51a@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] localized trace messages
To: dev@openjpa.apache.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630fd5faf59b50483d21fc2

--00163630fd5faf59b50483d21fc2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Debug is as good of a name as any other of we need a new log channel, if we
need one.

I looked into it a big and DEBUG was removed when we were incubating. The
commit was revision 429535 and wasn't attached to a JIRA so the rationale is
hard to find - might have just been duplication between trace and debug.

-mike


On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Albert Lee <allee8285@gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW...OpenJPA used to have a "DEBUG" channel, but has been deprecated, for
> whatever historical or practical reason.
>
> Albert Lee
>
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Michael Dick <mikedd@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Pinaki,
> >
> > That's a different definition of TRACE than I'm used to. I was under the
> > impression that trace *is* for developers. It's hard to find a consensus
> on
> > the Internet but I can point to this
> > definition<
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracing_%28software%29#Event_logging_versus_tracing
> > >which
> > I think sums it up.
> >
> > If we do go with your definition of trace I'd argue that we need a new
> log
> > level which is for developers, not for users.
> >
> > -mike
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Pinaki Poddar <ppoddar@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > TRACE messages are *not* for the developer -- they are for the user
> > (under
> > > duress and using them as the last resort to figure out a problem) and
> > they
> > > must be localized.
> > >
> > > During development a developer may temporarily use whatever mechanics
> to
> > > suit his/her style -- but once the development is complete, then
> cleaning
> > > the workspace is part of the work process.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Pinaki
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > >
> >
> http://n2.nabble.com/DISCUSS-localized-trace-messages-tp4877982p4878105.html
> > > Sent from the OpenJPA Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Albert Lee.
>

--00163630fd5faf59b50483d21fc2--