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From "Kevin Sutter" <kwsut...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [OT] git and Apache's svn?
Date Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:27:19 GMT
Thanks for the insights, Craig.  It's good to know that the infrastructure
team is taking a look at this also.  I'm definitely not ready to jump on the
git wagon just yet, but it's always good to understand the options.

Kevin

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com>wrote:

> There is a group inside Apache who are advocating for an official git repo
> managed by Apache infrastructure. The discussion is ongoing...
>
> I am not an expert on git, so take this as an observation more than fact:
> One big concern with git is the lack of "accountability" with code changes.
> Once code has been pushed to a git repo, the identity of the committer is
> lost, or at least not easily found. And unlike having the code attached to a
> JIRA, with an explicit "Apache licensed contribution" there is no automatic
> way to guarantee that a git-managed code change is actually intended as a
> contribution.
>
> The other big concern is transparency. Without a centrally-managed git repo
> (see above) there is no way for the community to easily see what is being
> developed where.
>
> I have no dog in this hunt. My aim is for the OpenJPA team to be as
> productive and engaged as possible, while staying true to the spirit and
> rules of the foundation. So for now, creating and using git-on-svn is fine
> for individuals, but to use git project-wide needs more explicit guidance
> from the foundation.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:58 AM, Patrick Linskey wrote:
>
>  Yeah, git is amazing. Lets you do lots of interesting things,
>> collaboration-wise.
>>
>> That said, I imagine that we want to stay with the Apache Way for our
>> primary source repository story, which means svn for the foreseeable future
>> I'd imagine. I expect that we'd see a lot of benefit by moving to svn 1.5
>> (which has proper merge support, and thus helps a lot with branching).
>>
>> -Patrick
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:18 AM, Kevin Sutter wrote:
>>
>>  This sounds interesting.  It sounds like we could provide for multiple
>>> "build levels" and only promote changes when they are really ready.  All
>>> of
>>> this without requiring the use of sandboxes.  Or, am I reading more into
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 5:08 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Patrick!
>>>>
>>>> In which way do you like to access the apache svn?
>>>>
>>>> Did you already work with git?
>>>>
>>>> Do you only like to manage local branches with git (git on top of a svn
>>>> checkout)?
>>>>
>>>> Do you like to use the git-svn bridge for doing all the local management
>>>> with git?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The way I use git for Apache projects is the 'git on top' approach (I'll
>>>> be
>>>> more verbose since I do not know what you already know):
>>>>
>>>> 1.) do a svn co
>>>> 2.) create a .gitignore file which contains /target and .svn
>>>> 3.) modify my .svnignore to contain .git and .gitignore
>>>> 4.) $> git-init
>>>> 5.) $> git-add src
>>>> 6.) $> git-status    to check if the index doesn't contain crap
>>>> 7.) $> git-commit -m"initial import from SVN"
>>>>
>>>> I subsequently do some svn update and commit them to my local git master
>>>> branche.
>>>> In parallel I do test branches with
>>>> $> git-checkout -b mytestbranch
>>>> see git-branch for more info
>>>>
>>>> If the changes work out, you can merge them into master and afterwards
>>>> perform a svn commit to the Apache repo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another way would be to use the git-svn bridge. pro: you'd have the
>>>> whole
>>>> history in git (so you could do a git-blame for example) con: you cannot
>>>> use
>>>> mvn scm (e.g. for releasing), since the maven-scm-providers-svn relies
>>>> on
>>>> having a SVN structure locally and the maven-scm-providers-git relies on
>>>> having a remote git repo...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LieGrü,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Patrick Linskey <plinskey@gmail.com> schrieb am Di, 9.12.2008:
>>>>
>>>>  Von: Patrick Linskey <plinskey@gmail.com>
>>>>> Betreff: [OT] git and Apache's svn?
>>>>> An: dev@openjpa.apache.org
>>>>> Datum: Dienstag, 9. Dezember 2008, 8:18
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone had any experience with using git with
>>>>> Apache's svn repository?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> -Patrick
>>>>>
>>>>> --Patrick Linskey
>>>>> 202 669 5907
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> --
>> Patrick Linskey
>> 202 669 5907
>>
>>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>

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