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From: David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [jira] Commented: (OPENJPA-221) DerbyDictionary doesn't describe
 a working mapping for char fields.
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:19:37 -0700
To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org


On Apr 18, 2007, at 11:12 AM, Patrick Linskey wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>> IIUC derby is a pure java db optimized for use with java and
>> storing java primitive types basically using java
>> serialization.  Why would openjpa want to store a char in
>> derby as an integer?
>
> "Because we've always done it that way." Is there a reason why we  
> should
> not be storing chars as numbers? Historically, we've seen problems  
> with
> comparisons and localization issues when storing chars as chars, which
> is why we store them as ints by default.

Does that mean you store Strings as arrays of integers by default for  
the same reason?  Why is this different?

> Based on the fact that you said
> that the unit tests fail with Derby with that configuration change, it
> sounds like there are some sorts of issues with char mappings in  
> Derby.

The unit tests fail with only the storeCharsAsIntegers=false because  
the sql for creating the table is invalid.  They succeed with the  
additional patch to create a CHAR(1) column instead of CHAR(255) for  
a char field.  I'm happy to discuss if creating a  CHAR(255) column  
to store a char field is reasonable :-)
>
> Additionally, since we've always done it that way, changing would mean
> backwards-compatibility problems.

There aren't any non-incubator openjpa releases yet, so I don't see  
the problem.  I'd also expect that for preexisting tables either an  
INTEGER or CHAR column would work.

>
>> Why are the current settings correct,
>> despite not working with the obvious char <> CHAR mapping?
>
> How do you define "not working"? It's my expectation that if the
> application behaves as expected, then things are working. It sounds  
> like
> what you're saying is "the default is not what was expected", not that
> "things don't work".

I expect that if I have a char field in an object and a preexisting  
table with a CHAR column openjpa will figure out some way to get a  
char from the field to the column and back again without any  
additional configuration, for all databases.  Admittedly my proposed  
fix only does this for derby, and by changing the default mapping for  
chars for derby.

I additionally expect that if openjpa creates a schema for me for a  
database with default utf support it will map a char field to a CHAR  
column.  I wouldn't necessarily expect this for a database that by  
default doesn't have utf columns.

>
>> I haven't found the magic setting so I can see what table is
>> being created for the unit tests
>
> openjpa.Log: SQL=TRACE

Where would I put this so I could see what the unit tests were doing?

I think there are 2 issues here:

1. should openjpa be able to use a preexisting CHAR column for  
storing a char, no matter what the storeCharsAsInteger setting is?
2. should the settings for derby be storeCharsAsInteger = false or true?

(1) is a lot more important, but changing the answer to (2) is easier  
and solves my immediate problem.

thanks
david jencks

>
> -Patrick
>
> -- 
> Patrick Linskey
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Jencks [mailto:david_jencks@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:53 AM
>> To: open-jpa-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [jira] Commented: (OPENJPA-221) DerbyDictionary
>> doesn't describe a working mapping for char fields.
>>
>> I'm not understanding something, maybe someone could explain,
>> and obviously the comments I suggested in DBDictionary are
>> completely wrong, although I sure don't see why.
>>
>> IIUC derby is a pure java db optimized for use with java and
>> storing java primitive types basically using java
>> serialization.  Why would openjpa want to store a char in
>> derby as an integer?  Why are the current settings correct,
>> despite not working with the obvious char <> CHAR mapping?  I
>> haven't found the magic setting so I can see what table is
>> being created for the unit tests, but I'm pretty sure it
>> isn't creating a CHAR column for the char field in the
>> allTypes object.
>>
>> I assumed the problems I ran into were a result of no one
>> having tested this code path, but you appear to be saying
>> that the current code is more correct than my proposal.  I'd
>> really like to know why.
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Patrick Linskey (JIRA) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>     [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENJPA-221?
>>> page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-
>>> tabpanel#action_12489820 ]
>>>
>>> Patrick Linskey commented on OPENJPA-221:
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>>
>>> It's not surprising that the OpenJPA tests
>> storeCharsAsNumbers to be
>>> true.
>>
>> maybe to you :-)  I still find it extremely surprising, and
>> can't imagine any reason why you'd want to do this.
>>>
>>> I was referring to your test environment. Rather than changing the
>>> default behavior of the DerbyDictionary in code, it seems more
>>> appropriate to use the built-in configuration option to
>> toggle it for
>>> your application.
>>>
>>> It sounds like you're reluctant to do this since you don't
>> have easy
>>> access to modify the persistence.xml files. Happily, if you drop a
>>> file conforming to the persistence.xml schema into META-INF/
>>> openjpa.xml, OpenJPA will load the settings in the
>> properties in the
>>> first PU in that file as defaults for all PUs.
>>>
>>> What happens if you put the DBDictionary stanza that I mentioned
>>> earlier into a META-INF/openjpa.xml file?
>>
>> Won't this change the behavior for all databases, not just
>> the derby dictionary?  I'd prefer to
>>
>> (a) understand why these settings as are they are
>> (b) make all the db-specific dictionaries work unmodified
>> with all reasonable mappings.
>>
>> thanks
>> david jencks
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> DerbyDictionary doesn't describe a working mapping for char fields.
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>                 Key: OPENJPA-221
>>>>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/
>>>> OPENJPA-221
>>>>             Project: OpenJPA
>>>>          Issue Type: Bug
>>>>          Components: sql
>>>>    Affects Versions: 0.9.7
>>>>            Reporter: David Jencks
>>>>         Attachments: OPENJPA-221.patch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If a class has a char field mapped to CHAR or CHAR(1) in a derby
>>>> database, the derby dictionary sets up a mapping to an
>> integer column
>>>> which doesn't work.  openjpa tries to store e.g. the
>> string "97" for
>>>> the char 'a' which results in a truncation error.
>>>
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