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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Can I reuse instances?
Date Tue, 10 Apr 2007 00:44:37 GMT
Hi Dain,

On Apr 9, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:

> On Apr 8, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>> Hi Dain,
>> I haven't looked in detail at the life cycle of CMP beans in a  
>> couple of years, but in general you can't simply keep the state of  
>> the underlying Entities through the life cycle. CMP beans are  
>> pooled and reused in transaction contexts and you have to load the  
>> state at specific points in the life cycle.
> It depends on the commit option the container is using.  In commit  
> option A, you assume the cmp engine is the sole user of the  
> database, so you don't need to load.  Normally people use commit  
> option B where you keep instances activated with a specific primary  
> key and reload the data in each tx.
>> Using the primary key stored in the CMP bean to do em.find at the  
>> appropriate time is the obvious way to take advantage of the em  
>> second level cache. To the extent that this is not efficient, we  
>> should fix it in the JPA layer not the CMP layer.
> I would prefer to keep as much of the CMP stuff on the CMP side as  
> possible so the JPA implementation can focus on JPA issues.   One  
> of the assumption of JPA is that entities are light weight and  
> cheap to create, so you take the safe route and construct a new one  
> when every you need an instance.  In CMP the assumption is that  
> entity instances are expensive to create, so less safe route and  
> you pool them.  Reusing instances is really a CMP problem, but I  
> don't think it can be implemented without the help of the JPA engine.

I'm afraid we're getting wrapped around the axle on definitions.  
Here's what I'm trying to get across:

CMP Entity Beans are expensive to create and there's a lot of  
required behavior to manage them. You pretty much have to implement  
the life cycle in the spec. It's your choice how to implement the  
"state" part of the beans. You can use wrappers around various kinds  
of state objects like ResultSet or generated classes that contain  
fields with the state.

Your implementation uses JPA Entities to hold the state. These JPA  
Entities are not at all specified by CMP Entity Beans. JPA Entities  
as cheap to create so all you need to do is hold on to the ids and  
when you need state from the database, ask JPA EntityManager for the  
state. If the state is already in the second level cache, this is  
very cheap to access.

> -dain

Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System
408 276-5638
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!

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